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jagged
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New to the forum - advice needed

Post by jagged » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:07 am

Hi all
First let me say how amazing it is to have such a forum with all this useful information from you guys.
I am a potential new F-pace owner and never had a Jaguar or Land Rover car before.

My mind was fixed on getting a used Velar (cost of new one is out of my budget) but these are still quite expensive. I recently changed my mind and now I have (almost) decided that I want to get a used (Jaguar approved) F-Pace, 3.0 diesel V6. I wouldn't mind it being 2 years old as long as it doesn't have high mileage.

However, some of you here suggested that it would be better to get a 2018 model as these ones have fewer issues reported.
But since I am going for the 3.0 diesel V6, the cost of a used 2018 model with that engine would be out of my budget.

I am planning to visit my local dealer and test-drive a 25D model to see whether that is adequate for me or not (based on what I am reading here, 3.0d is the engine to go for in order to really have a fulfilling driving experience).

I would really appreciate your input/advice on the following:

1) Are there any specific issues that you should look for in a used F-Pace? (apart from checking if specific options are included or if it was rejected)
What would make you steer away from one?

2) There are a few used (Jaguar approved) First Edition's out there on autotrader.co.uk.
I understand that these are loaded with extras and of course with the 3.0 diesel V6 engine.
Assuming that the colors and price are not a problem, would you go for one of those or would you rather go for a used 2018 model with fewer extra's (taking into account that FE's may have more issues as they were the first to come out).

I know of course that such decisions come down to personal preferences but your input and advice would be highly appreciated and help me make up my mind :)

Steve


Jagfpacejk
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Re: New to the forum - advice needed

Post by Jagfpacejk » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:35 am

Hello and welcome, yes a newer car should have less issues but some are not fault free even brand new, if your looking at a 2 year old car I would be interested in the ITCP system if that's what you are looking for as this has and is possibly the biggest issue with the Fpace.

I had two first editions and your right they have a lot of options but not necessarily all the options you may want, there are a lot of used cars for sale but check the car you are looking at is not a previously rejected car due to problems.

Good luck.
Ex Owner of a Pre Launch 1st Edition Supercharged V6 and a Ex Owner of 1st Edition Diesel V6


jagged
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Re: New to the forum - advice needed

Post by jagged » Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:03 pm

Many thanks for your reply Jagfpacejk

Yes, ITCP is one major issue I have identified after reading posts in this forum. I will make sure that this is updated to the latest version.

Thank you for your time!


Bob a
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Re: New to the forum - advice needed

Post by Bob a » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:13 pm

The other way to look at it is if it is 2 years old then any issues I may have had could have been resolved now.

I have the 25d, when you get a shot of it make sure it is switched to dynamic mode, that way you get full advantage of the power available. I never had a shot of the 3L but I would imagine the power would be nice in it.


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Re: New to the forum - advice needed

Post by Deltasierra » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:27 pm

New cars are difficult at present because of the hold up due to new emissions regulations, that is due to be sorted by September, there might even be a sales push.
S/H, there are a lot of problem cars that cannot be fixed for some reason, don't expect to find "rejection" noted in the history or indeed any bad items, mysteriously they will have vanished, or the history is not available. Best bet is a warranted car at a Jaguar dealer then at least you have some comeback, because they are not likely to knowingly sell you a dog, insist on an extended test drive and check it out thououghly.
The 3.0 D is the peach, all the performance you need and a quiet cruiser that will do 40+ MPG on a run, make the time and test drive several to get a comparison.
FPace 3.0D Portfolio Loire Blue, light interior, tow bar. No issues a very good car
Gone F Pace Prestige 2 liter Auto, tow bar, reversing camera, 14 way seats, 18 inch all season tyres
XKR Convertible


Deux Points
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Re: New to the forum - advice needed

Post by Deux Points » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:19 pm

I rejected my 2017 MY 3.0D S, with ITCP (erratic) amongst many other extras, after 6 months - too many unresolved issues for a £61k car. In its place I have a 2018 MY 3.0 S/C (petrol) with ITC (works, but basic) and a few more extras for the same price. Build quality for the replacement, now a year old, is better (could be better still). After a year of use, I'm pleased with the replacement, even with a few remaining issues, as the petrol engine is smooth and quiet (if pushed, it inspires with a great noise, especially with the roof open). I've done only 8,000 miles in the last year, so I'm not so fussed about the c.30mpg from the 3.0 petrol v c.40mpg from the 3.0 diesel. Drive quickly and each of those mpg figures will drop by 8 - 10 (absolute, not percentage)!


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Re: New to the forum - advice needed

Post by corriescar66 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:44 pm

Until the SVR is available, the peach is the 3.0l s/c petrol...

If you can't face 25 mpg, then the 3.0D is also a good alternative.

The problem with all the diesels is the turbo lag, more evident when you pull away from standing, even in dynamic. Most, including professional reviewers, incorrectly attribute this to the gearbox (it does pull away in 2nd, unless you force it), yet I have no lag with the supercharger.

I'm driving a 25D XF sportbrake at the moment, and ok, it's got more grunt than the 180, but to truly get the best from these cars you need the 300hp +

If you go for the 3.0D, one thing to check is the potential 'bearing' noise that a few on here have experienced from the front half shaft bearings. You should find info on here if you use the search function. This has gone quiet, so maybe the fix has worked, but interesting that no-one has come back to say this.

ICTP either seems to work with the option combinations, or not (mine not..) A good late 2017 3.0l with ICT should be a safe bet.

You could always ask to contact the previous owner, or ask to see the V5, before committing to buy.

First editions were a curious combination. Lovely colour, but I didn't like the option combinations & didn't think they were value for money at the time. Don't pay a premium for one, but if you like it, go for it!

The only other thing is, do some research on the dealer, or your local one. My supplying dealer (Guy Salmon) have no interest in my 20 months of problems & I wish I hadn't bought from them. You need them to own the problems if you want a successful ownership. If the dealer is crap then you can blame JLR all day long, but that would be missing the point.

Would I buy another one? Yes. But as they've deleted the 3.0L s/c, only the SVR.

Good luck!
Nov 2016: 3.0 S V6 Supercharged Petrol/Italiana da Corsa Rossa / Jet-Taurus/ 22" Helix etc....


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Re: New to the forum - advice needed

Post by corriescar66 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:47 pm

PS. On the test drive, don't believe the cars mpg/trip. Knock of about 10% from what it says to get the real world values.

Reset the trip before you start & see how you get on.

If mpg isn't a worry to you, save up & get an SVR! :-)
Nov 2016: 3.0 S V6 Supercharged Petrol/Italiana da Corsa Rossa / Jet-Taurus/ 22" Helix etc....


jagged
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Re: New to the forum - advice needed

Post by jagged » Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:37 am

Thank you all for your time and your valuable advice!

I went to test-drive the 25d yesterday. I made sure that it was in dynamic mode as some here suggested.

I think the performance is not bad at all and it would probably be adequate for most people. But while I was driving it, I caught myself thinking that I would like some extra torque from low down (probably a biased kind of thinking because if I didn't know that a 3.0d diesel existed maybe I would be happy with 25d)

Unfortunately there is not 3.0d in stock at the moment so I couldn't compare unfortunately.


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Re: New to the forum - advice needed

Post by Deltasierra » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:07 am

"The problem with all the diesels is the turbo lag, more evident when you pull away from standing, even in dynamic. Most, including professional reviewers, incorrectly attribute this to the gearbox (it does pull away in 2nd, unless you force it), yet I have no lag with the supercharger."

The FPace diesels do not work as a racers, you cannot just floor the accelerator from a standing start as a normal automatic, for whatever reason. Both engines do give good overtaking performance, the 3.0d is effortless, if you want ultimate performance and can stand the fuel bills the 3.0 Supercharged is the one to go for, the SVR when available will be awesome I'm sure.

Plenty of drivers are satisfied with the 2.0d and if you have a good one ( I didn't) you will be happy, the 3.0d is different, slightly heavier, more of a cruiser, much quicker, quieter too, drive one you will like it !. A S/H 3.0d is going to cost maybe £4K more than a similar 2.0d, it's up to you to choose which suits your driving style.
FPace 3.0D Portfolio Loire Blue, light interior, tow bar. No issues a very good car
Gone F Pace Prestige 2 liter Auto, tow bar, reversing camera, 14 way seats, 18 inch all season tyres
XKR Convertible


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