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catwoman
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Re: Fine Drinking Wine

Post by catwoman » Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:14 pm

Aye, who'd have thought thirty years ago we'd all be sitting here with our Jaguars, drinking Chateau de Chassilier? . . though we were poor, we were happy, etc., etc. . . ;)

I'm actually quite enjoying reading this thread, and perhaps picking up one or two ideas for Christmas wines. Thanks MB. Don't drink a lot of wine, but happy to quaff bog-standard supermarket shelf stuff, usually just with a screw-cap, I've largely given up on buying cork-sealed bottles now, the cork doesn't seem good enough generally these days. But I freely admit I'm no connoisseur when it comes to fine wine. Some of the most expensive wines I've tasted have been the most unpalatable I've had. But when there's a good few quid invested you have to try and convince yourself it's the best stuff.
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Re: Fine Drinking Wine

Post by Mbadger77 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:31 pm

catwoman wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:14 pm
Aye, who'd have thought thirty years ago we'd all be sitting here with our Jaguars, drinking Chateau de Chassilier? . . though we were poor, we were happy, etc., etc. . . ;)

I'm actually quite enjoying reading this thread, and perhaps picking up one or two ideas for Christmas wines. Thanks MB. Don't drink a lot of wine, but happy to quaff bog-standard supermarket shelf stuff, usually just with a screw-cap, I've largely given up on buying cork-sealed bottles now, the cork doesn't seem good enough generally these days. But I freely admit I'm no connoisseur when it comes to fine wine. Some of the most expensive wines I've tasted have been the most unpalatable I've had. But when there's a good few quid invested you have to try and convince yourself it's the best stuff.
That’s the truth. Screw top is fine though cork isn’t a problem if the wine is stored and not allowed to dry out. No problem with screw or plastic forks and the new world guys use them a lot.
General rule is buy £8 or £10 or above and plenty of great good tasting and value wines. 3 months ago I got a case of 12 Moulin St George and it’s about £40 a bottle, tastes pretty rough and I had 11 bottles left. You want to enjoy it but cant.
£15-25 and loads of great Pinot Noirs which are often great or St Emillion etc. Step over to Argentina for lovely Malbecs and Merlot or up to Napa for Cab sav.

I’ve got some bottles in storage worth thousands and will never be drinking those.

Just need to settle on 5/6 staples that are just lovely to drink and have a bit about them. My JJ Prum is one for sure that will be re-ordered as it fits a specific need and is different to the normal reds.
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Re: Fine Drinking Wine

Post by Deltasierra » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:06 pm

philmayfield wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:21 pm
I doubt we export much. We keep the best for ourselves! :D
The French have been doing that for many years, however they have been learning from the Southern Hemisphere that the appellation cartel is not the be all and end all.
Wine as an investment is a mugs game, drink it and enjoy it, hic!.
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Re: Fine Drinking Wine

Post by JLRnumber5 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:22 pm

By the way I really wasn't joking about the Albariño in Lidl for £3.99 and it's as good a £10 bottle from waitrose. I bought two bottles and once I'd tried it went back for a case.
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Re: Fine Drinking Wine

Post by Mbadger77 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:00 pm

Deltasierra wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:06 pm
philmayfield wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:21 pm
I doubt we export much. We keep the best for ourselves! :D
The French have been doing that for many years, however they have been learning from the Southern Hemisphere that the appellation cartel is not the be all and end all.
Wine as an investment is a mugs game, drink it and enjoy it, hic!.
Well I’m not sure it’s a mugs game but it’s a decent fun alternative. I started over a year ago and have a significant investment in some of the rarest and premier wines. Most have increased in value and I’ve already sold many thousands of pounds worth in the last month or two. If it gets to around 20 - 40% increase then I’m happy to sell.
Margaux, lafleur, screaming eagle for example all seen good rises in 12 - 18 months I’ve had and easy to sell.
I’ve also got money in property investments, ISAS, Stocks, SEIS and EIS so it’s just another angle in the investment diversity.
I Also had some much riskier methods of significant income but that’s another story.
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Re: Fine Drinking Wine

Post by Mbadger77 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:03 pm

JLRnumber5 wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:22 pm
By the way I really wasn't joking about the Albariño in Lidl for £3.99 and it's as good a £10 bottle from waitrose. I bought two bottles and once I'd tried it went back for a case.
I know I actually seen somebody post about this before and said it was pretty good. It’s surprising as the duty etc means the wine is about 20pence worth !!!

A good graphic is this.
https://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspire ... s-2016.jpg
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Re: Fine Drinking Wine

Post by Coopsterdude » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:24 pm

Cars and wine - god I live this forum.........

I do think wine is very much all about your pallet - I’m often asked for recommendations on what makes a good wine (clearly drink too much) and I always s respond with the same answer - one you enjoy!!!

2 of my personal favourites, but often struggle to find them......
Torrevellisca Chateau - this comes from a Bodega that is actually fairly close to our house in Spain. I came across it by accident, when looking for something else. Bought one bottle to try and went back the next day and bought a case - we now always have several bottles waiting in the wine rack when we arrive. 2007 was the best year we’ve had so far. Only found this once in the UK and it was nearly 8 times what we pay for it direct from the bodega!

Clos De Los Siete - Argentinian wine made by a French vinter Michel Rolland. The Siete comes from the fact it’s a cooperateive of 7 vineyards that supply the grapes - 2005 is absolutely blinding

Warning though, these are both big bold reds. If like something a bit more delicate, then they’re probably not for you.
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Re: Fine Drinking Wine

Post by DPE » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:17 pm

Has anyone been to Denbies Vineyard ,near Dorking, Surrey ? Very interesting to See, Learn and Drink. They have Red, White, Rose and Sparkling Wines. Also resturants to have lunch or evening meals. Worth a visit or even a drive out to and stay near by. The Vineyard is found between Boxhill and Dorking town.
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Re: Fine Drinking Wine

Post by Mbadger77 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:03 am

Coopsterdude wrote:
Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:24 pm
Cars and wine - god I live this forum.........

I do think wine is very much all about your pallet - I’m often asked for recommendations on what makes a good wine (clearly drink too much) and I always s respond with the same answer - one you enjoy!!!

2 of my personal favourites, but often struggle to find them......
Torrevellisca Chateau - this comes from a Bodega that is actually fairly close to our house in Spain. I came across it by accident, when looking for something else. Bought one bottle to try and went back the next day and bought a case - we now always have several bottles waiting in the wine rack when we arrive. 2007 was the best year we’ve had so far. Only found this once in the UK and it was nearly 8 times what we pay for it direct from the bodega!

Clos De Los Siete - Argentinian wine made by a French vinter Michel Rolland. The Siete comes from the fact it’s a cooperateive of 7 vineyards that supply the grapes - 2005 is absolutely blinding

Warning though, these are both big bold reds. If like something a bit more delicate, then they’re probably not for you.
Good shout. I think what I was thinking was finding good quality drinking wines that just taste great after getting disapointed by a couple of cases I brought in from bond. (The Moulin St George 2005 I’m thinking wasn’t stored correctly at some point or spent too long in transit as it’s a tough one to drink, even with cheese still a sharp slightly bigger end. The Labegorce has a beautiful start and you think god this is a nice wine but a really sharp edge but to be fair Janice Robinson was the one person who says this against all others who say different things. I also drank it a bit early)

Winesearcher.com is good if anybody wants to find a wine in the UK or worldwide. Your clos de lots siete I may have had at a steak place.
About £15 a bottle so priced nicely though can’t see much 2005 around at all worldwide. Waitrose cellar and others have the 2014 to buy in preparation if your keen on it.

I’ve been speaking with one of my suppliers and he’s put together a few ideas of really good smooth, rounded white wines from burgundy and Germany. I’ll also be stocking up on my new recent ish revelation of JJ Prum Auslesse and Spatelsse which is a great option to have. Try them with a spicy chill or curry even.
I’m a solely red wine fan but my interest has increased massively recently but I’m also going to open up a white wine option set as I’ve ignored it and maybe I shouldn’t.

Will report back. Now have two wines from here I will try and buy. Thanks Cooper another on the list.
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Re: Fine Drinking Wine

Post by Mbadger77 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:18 pm

Ok JLR looked at Tandem on yapp brothers and bought some. Also got a few others that look likely types. Chenade pomerol and a fair few others, will report back over coming months with hopefully some belters across the range.
Also put together another order with a specialist for a load of white burgundy and German stuff and a few Pinot Noirs from same place.
Don’t ask how many Prum Spatelsse and Auslesse I’ve bought but it’s enough for a while.
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