Off to give the Range Rover Velar a go...

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Re: Off to give the Range Rover Velar a go...

Post by Coopsterdude » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:41 am

Looks really well. Can imagine the excitement building. Love that interior
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Re: Off to give the Range Rover Velar a go...

Post by chimchimcheroo » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:13 am

Very nice Arianne

I love the wheels and the interior, not fully convinced by the exterior for what that's worth

I bet you can't wait to wind your way around the great roads you have inthe borders

We're up in your neck of the woods at the moment and are thoroughly enjoying it
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Re: Off to give the Range Rover Velar a go...

Post by Mig » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:13 am

Wahou !!!
Very nice configuration...
I'm jealous :-)
Maybe my next car after the second F-Pace that I should get in less than a month (to replace my very faulty one).
1st F-Pace 2.0d AWD Auto R-Sport, Polaris White, Jet/Red, Shitty Adaptive Dynamics
2nd F-Pace 2.0d AWD Auto R-Sport, Polaris White, Jet/Red, No AD = much better


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Re: Off to give the Range Rover Velar a go...

Post by Waynem » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:19 am

The copper strip on side vent between bonnet and door ....out of line (just saying) :shock: :? :lol:


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Re: Off to give the Range Rover Velar a go...

Post by JLRnumber5 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:28 am

Hugely excited for you Mr A.
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Re: Off to give the Range Rover Velar a go...

Post by Arianne » Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:15 pm

JLRnumber5 wrote:
Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:28 am
Hugely excited for you Mr A.
Thanks JLR#5, we have shared the same road. I will let you know how it goes. Best wishes to you.

Arianne
Rejected but still affectionately remembered: F-Pace 3.0d V6 S, IRR, 18 way jet/red sports seats + full memory, privacy glass, 22" silver/black double helix, cold climate pack!


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Re: Off to give the Range Rover Velar a go...

Post by F-Pace S » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:41 pm

Arianne,
That my friend is an awesome looking thing, and it looks ALOT more than £10k more than our FP's. That interior is just awesome. How long are you planning on keeping it? Just thinking for the future....you look after it for me ;)

Wish you all the best with it, and look forward to your write up on arrival of course
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Re: Off to give the Range Rover Velar a go...

Post by Birthwaite » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:39 pm

Arianne hi,

Glad to hear its working out for you. Have to say I tried one and was not that impressed - but that's me. Did not like the "square" inside design and felt it was too much like the Evoque. Also felt more cramped than my F-Pace when in the drivers seat. But OK I have been one of the lucky ones with my F-Pace which I fully understand and appreciate. Still love going round corners in the Lakes though :). Have fun and all the very best.
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Re: Off to give the Range Rover Velar a go...

Post by luminated » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:48 pm

A few weeks back I can upon a Velar on the dual carriageway and thought interesting but not entirely won over as I had first been and I put it down to the wrong model and wheel choice.... few cars are as depended on the right rim as the Velar is.

When dropping off the F-Pace to the dealer for the last time I popped round the corner to their LR dealer to have another look and wow what a beauty, metallic black, 22s and copper highlights it was stunning but it's how LR finish their interiors that truly set them apart from not only Jaguar but the rest of their competition. Only till you move upmarket and into the truly exotic stuff do you see it done equally as good or better.
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24hrs into ownership of the Velar...

Post by Arianne » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:45 pm

Hi folks,

Here's the post from my Volvo XC60 forum where we have a thread which began in early 2016 as I started my search for a new car. With over 1,400 replies and in excess of 100,000 views it's become something of an unexpected hit!

If you want to read the rest of the thread then the link is at the foot of this post. But, be warned, you will need to set some serious bedtime reading aside for this one....

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Sorry folks, forgive the delay which wasn't intentional. I hate it when people tease and I wouldn't do that. The delay is because it's been so, so busy - elderly parents, work (from home this weekend), the trip with the family yesterday and the complexity of the Range Rover Velar.

Once again, can I start by mentioning my dealer - Lloyd Kelso. The car was in perfect condition when we arrived yesterday and that is no small accolade coming from me! She had been given a second PDI and valeted to a higher standard than the last visit.

Everything went well although it could have failed at the last minute. Jaguar Land Rover (JLR) promised us months ago that we would receive a compensation cheque from them in recognition of the fact we had missed the 1 April 2017 deadline for the new VED road tax hike for cars with list prices over £40k. Despite it being all agreed, JLR hadn't determined how they were going to make it actually happen. So, in the end, my dealer stepped in and passed me a 'Brown Envelope" (yes, it really was) stuffed with a cheque from them. They confirmed that they would seek reimbursement from JLR themselves.

Otherwise, it was the usual stuff - a bouquet of beautiful flowers for Mrs A in the boot, the presentation key rings and box, a Land Rover umbrella and the free Service Pack for five years. We agreed with the Sales Executive that, since we probably knew more about the Velar than him, we would skip the detailed walk through and just say thank you to everyone, sign off on collection, grab the keys and drive off for the Scottish Highlands.

So what about the car then, I hear you ask?

Well, it's lovely and so far appears to be in perfect working order. I'll be honest, I am gobsmacked that this is the case - especially the onboard technology. Oh, hang on - there is one thing. The media system isn't getting on seamlessly with my two USB drives with music. Sometimes everything is fine and then, at other times on start-up, it says the queue of music is corrupt and won't play anything. I will get to the bottom of that over the next few weeks.

Driving Experience
Okay, let's cut to the chase. What is the RR Velar D300 V6 R-dynamic like to drive? How does it compare to the Jaguar F-Pace with the same engine? What's the ride like with air suspension on 21" rims. This stuff has been well documented by the mainstream journalists but here's a real-world average guy!

Well, the honest answer is that the Velar is neither the sporty F-Pace (or Macan) nor is it a ponderous SUV either. It sits between the typical SUV driving experience and the sporty extreme - offset towards the sporty end somewhat.

It's a bit weird really. The F-Pace defies the laws of physics in terms of handling and the way the 700Nm of torque force you back into your seat. The Jaguar wants to be driven hard almost every time you get into it. On the other hand, the Velar is controlled and tight. Prim and proper. It doesn't beg to be driven hard although she will quite happily be a willing partner if you want to 'press on' into corners and fast country roads. But it's not a thrilling drive. Instead I find myself thinking how composed and predictable the Velar performs when driving such roads at night (the A7 from Edinburgh down to the Central Borders).

The suspension is much more forgiving than either my F-Pace on springs & 22" rims or the Volvo XC60 R-design on 20" wheels. It is composed and balanced at speed on motorways. It's very quiet in the cabin. It doesn't wallow but it doesn't float along quite like the Jaguar XJ.

And the reason is, I suspect, because of the weight of the Velar compared to either the F-Pace or the XJ. All three cars have the same 300bhp, V6, 700Nm diesel engine. But, despite the Velar having more aluminium in the shell than the F-Pace, the Range Rover is heavier. I suspect the full-length panoramic opening sunroof weighs a fair bit. But overall, the Velar's performance is strong but not astounding. Or is it that occupants are so cosseted in the cabin that there is no sense of drama when the power is applied? Probably a bit of both I suspect. And of course, the engine only had 24 miles on the clock when we pulled off the forecourt and just 250 as of this evening - so things need to loosen up a bit and we don't want to push it too much too soon.

Now at this point I want to talk about tyre pressure. People don't realise how incorrect tyre pressure can make or break the ride. Checking this afternoon the onboard Tyre Pressure Monitoring System told me that, despite the recommendation for light loads being 34PSI all round, not a single wheel had the right pressure and Noe of them were at the same inflation. They were all overinflated to a greater of lesser extent - one being 39PSI. Not good.

The ride is better still, especially at lower speed over broken surfaces, now that I have dropped all four wheels back to 34PSI.

The eight speed auto ZF gearbox is fine. It's not as instant as the Porsche PDK box but is almost seamless. Pull away isn't as lazy as the F-Pace but neither is it quite as fast as I would have liked due to JLR's torque converter tending to sound a bit like a slipping clutch at very low speed and on inclines.

Overall verdict then on the engine, gearbox and suspension? It's composed, quiet and delivers pace and handling beyond what you would normally expect from an SUV of this size. It doesn't blow me away with its performance like the F-Pace, neither does it waft along quite like the XJ. It's somewhere in the middle and it's hard to describe. It fits our desires very well but I am left with the overall conclusion that it's impossible to have it all in one single car - a high driving position, sports performance, a limousine ride, great power:weight ratio but solidity and toys too.

Shame that! 8.5/10


Build Quality
Hey, it's impeccable - truly. How is it possible that JLR make both the F-Pace and the Velar on the same production line and yet the cars feel so, so different for quality, fit and finish?

Everything is tight on the Velar - precise shut lines, perfect interior, no rattles and a real solidity. You shut the doors and they close with the reassuring sound you expect. The whole thing hangs together perfectly.

Clearly, the boys on the production line see an F-Pace and relax. Maybe a few of them even head off for a break, leaving their colleagues to cover for them. And then a Velar body shell heads towards them and their backs stiffen, heads rise and brains become focused. I jest but that is what it feels like when you have owned and driven both cars. The difference is palpable.

Everything is exactly as it should be. Leather stitching is as straight as the original sections of the M1 motorway and there is just nothing I can fault on this front. Well done Brits, you have clearly learned a thing or two from your German cousins!

Score 10/10.


Technology
Well good people, this is an interim report. Why? There's just so much of it!

I am computer literate, I use a smartphone, iPad with lots of business productivity apps, Windows computers at work, social media (you knew that already) and home laptop. I am not a geek but, if there's a practical gain to be had from technology, then I am up for it. Otherwise, no thanks.

The display screens on the Velar are beautiful. They are truly better than anything I have seen from BMW, Mercedes, Porsche or Audi. I cannot comment on the XC90 or Tesla - they look to have a similar concept but I thing the pictures I have seen leave me thinking that the Velar is better than the Tesla but perhaps equal to the Volvo XC90 in this department (the Volvo does look very nice at my local dealership inside when the right interior configuration is selected - shame about the 4cyl diesel engine then!).

The definition is excellent, the response rate only a fraction slower than my iPad and the interface is actually very logical. Those two 'magic dials' on the lower display are magical - for example, amongst the many things they can do is adjust your heated seat settings - just press the dial and turn to set the heat of your seat. So much better than the XJ or F-Pace in which you needed to drill down multiple layers to access the functionality. No, JLR have hit the spot with this, for sure.

There's just one thing then that niggles - there's just so, so much of it. Really there is. And so, as a new Velar owner, I feel bombarded with data as I drive along - the weather, the football, flight information, news, music, trip statistics, google satellite views, street view, satnav, speed camera alerts, ambient lighting choices etc. Honestly, the list goes on and on. I don't think my brain was designed for this data onslaught while driving.

Something will need to adjust or give. I suspect it'll be a bit of both over time. But I have switched the football results for my favourite team off. I have a Dottie news blackout rule on Saturdays so I can enjoy Match of the Day in the evening and live in hope that Tony Pulis can pull off yet another exciting 0-0 draw with two banks of four. Yes, WBA are the only Premier Leauge side that I know who once won the match with no shots on target - it was an own goal that got it for us! Season ticket anyone?

Anyway, I spent hours this afternoon setting the car up as I want it. I now have 4G wifi access to something via EE on a 12mth PAYG 2Gb per month data sim. The car connects to my home wifi while on the drive. I can start her up remotely from anywhere in the world, track her journeys, vital statistics and state of health on my phone or iPad. When we park up, the suspension drops to allow easy access and then rises again as we pull away.

And, of course, I look like a complete idiot swinging my foot behind the rear wheels trying to get the gesture tailgate to operate. But my activity key worked first time so I will be using that while I play badminton tomorrow night.

The audio quality is very good but, sadly, not quite as rich as the Jaguar XJ. I wonder why? I have the upgraded surround sound Meridian 825w system with something called trifield surround sound. I have tried it with uncompressed FLAC music files ripped straight from high quality CD recordings and I find it just a little bright, a little too digital. There's more to do here I suspect.

So what's the score for the technology? Well, this is an interim score but, for the 451 page hard-copy instruction manual alone (there are other documents in the JLR wallet) here's my score: 9/10


Interim Conclusion
Mrs A's verdict is 10/10 and she says Holly (that's her name) is beautiful and she is totally in love with the Velar (that's a direct quote).

The lad gave it 9.5/10. He says it's great, no car is perfect and he would have one himself - which is, he says, the ultimate accolade for someone driving a sports coupe at 25yrs old.

Me? Well, I am a perfectionist and she is a cruel mistress. The Velar has, so far, done everything I expected her to do. But no one single car can do everything.

I loved the Jaguar XJ, she was called Camille. What a driver's car that was and yet it was a limousine too. But it was impractical - my defunct dishwasher has been sitting in my garage waiting for an SUV to arrive so we could transfer it to the recycling centre. And one looks like a true twot pulling up at farms in an XJ. It's RWD and so, in the wet it fishtails and would be hopeless in the snow. You sit down low, which is great for handling, but not so great for the command view. And the boot is a weird shape. Plus Mrs A says it makes her feel old when she is driving it.

I loved the Jaguar F-Pace, albeit for just the three weeks we drove her. She was called Heidi and I remember detailing her for about eight hours before dropping her into the dealer for repairs - never to be returned to me again! Heidi was a joy to drive on the open, fast twisty roads around the Borders. But she wanted to be driven fast all of the time, was a bit fidgety on town roads and the build quality always felt a bit suspect - not just that noisy offside front wheel!

The Range Rover Velar is really well built (as far as I can tell). Much better than the two Jaguars or my previous Volvo XC60. The design inside and out is stunning. It's a special experience to be inside the Velar's cabin. The broken dishwasher will easily fit inside the big boot, I sit up high, she handles well, can overtake Nissan Micras without any drama and I could probably control North Korea's missile development programme with the huge amount of IT equipment JLR have loaded into the car.

Oddly then, I am awarding Holly just 8.5/10 at this stage, 24hrs into ownership. I don't know why as I want to edge closer to the perfect 10 (especially when one has spent slightly over £70k for the thing). Perhaps it's the hassle over the last 18mths, maybe the fact that I have driven five different cars this year or it could be that Holly and I need more time together.

What a journey this has been. What a thread this has become (we broke the 100k views this weekend). Cars, we just love them really. Enjoy them because I suspect that the upcoming disruptive change of autonomous cars and electric may be a game changer.

I will get some images and further news over the coming week. In the meantime, have a good one yourselves - whatever you're driving.

Best wishes,

Arianne

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Hyperlink to the main thread itself:

https://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=243664
Rejected but still affectionately remembered: F-Pace 3.0d V6 S, IRR, 18 way jet/red sports seats + full memory, privacy glass, 22" silver/black double helix, cold climate pack!


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