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#1 ·
Good afternoon all, I am brand new to this forum (enrolled earlier today).
I do not currently own an F-Pace but I am seriously looking, particularly
at the petrol variants in the second hand market.
I have spoken to a garage that are advertising a 25T I R-Sport 2017 spec.
Can some tell me if the "I" stands for Ingenium? I have not seen this on
any other advertisement.
Also, what is the general consensus on the 25T? One to be avoided or are
they OK? I obviously realise that the 3 litre engine would be more powerful
but they are outside my budget at the moment.
 
#2 ·
Welcome,

Well 25T is 2.0 litre petrol with 250bhp , 0 to 60 in 6.7 secs so it's already pretty good in response. Mpg you would avg. somewhere 23 to 27 depending what's your usage. I bit not sure maybe dealer wants to say like you already mentioned Ingenium.
Overall good car but built quality is a bit lacking that's my experience but again there is nothing available in that price range with this size and practicality.

Thanks.

Regards,
KJ
 
#4 ·
Hi,

Well there are 2 versions of it 1 is ICTP Pro which is full screen 10inch with no physical buttons which I happen to have. When I bought car in November 2018 it had few glitches one it use to forget the last selected colour of ambient lighting when car use to turned back on and the other was the navigation use to die completely while navigating. So far from there till now it's been updated with software updates and I got apple car play and Android auto so far all is good. Everyday I connect my phone via Bluetooth make and receive calls no issues, in background radio is running so far no issues, sometimes I use navigation which now mostly use android auto so no issues there.

There is one more infotainment system which is smaller screen and with physical buttons on side that used to be the default basic one in earlier models I can't comment on that one maybe someone else can who has it.

Well only thing I would.like infotainment to have is steering control for selecting contacts which there isn't and you have to take your eyes off the road to touch the line on screen, there is speech control as well but I have not used it.
It's not too bad as long as it works, I don't use browser I don't use other functions also I have switched of some auto features like day mode night mode so maybe it's not overloaded.

Thanks.

Regards,
KJ
 
#5 ·
Hi Goddo,
I bought my 25T R-Sport new in August 2018. My original plan was for the 300BHP version but knowledgeable friends worried about the output from a smaller twin turbo engine. My dealer whom I trusted said there was little difference. I test drove the 25T and realised it was aggressive and powerful enough driven in dynamic mode and I needed no more fun. I've had no problems and the driving experience is wonderful and exciting.
Yours must be a VERY early 25T as I only started looking when the petrol versions came out and that was a couple of months before I ordered in April 2018. The ICTP which I have is fantastic and I have been able to download new software easily-the version on your car I cannot comment on but there are threads here you could explore. This is worth looking into I think.
Best driving decision I've made and although I thought about the 380BHP V6 which is now not available new I'm sure I made the right decision.
Go for it if the price is right. The engine is a gem.
Bimjob
 
#6 ·
If you ask me I like the way car looks there is no other car that looks so cool , Q5 looks wise it's OK , if I had enough money then might have gone for Porsche Cayenne that is the only alternative I see for FPace. All other cars are either smaller or get expensive and looks bad.

Regards,
KJ
 
#7 ·
To answer your question regarding the I designation in the model terminology, this is not an official designation. I suggest you ask the dealer what he thinks it means. The official designation for the engine is an i4P (ingenium - 4-cylinder - petrol) . Hope this helps you out. The engine (built in JLR's engine plant in Wolverhampton) has been around for quite a while in various power outputs and is getting an excellent reputation. Google it and you'll get many good reviews.
 
#8 ·
Bimjob, I haven't bought this particular car yet. It's a January 2018 registered (67 plate) 246BHP and covered 14000 miles.
We are going to have a look at it tomorrow with a totally open mind but it's useful to have some owner feedback as ammunition.
Over the years I have purchased any number of cars and I feel that an "in-the-flesh" look over is the way to go.
I also hope that I buy with my head rather than my heart (apart from an Aston Matin DB9 that I fell in love with about five years ago)
I tried to tell my wife that it was an "investment". She didn't believe me funnily enough.
Seriously, if a push comes to a shove, we will continue searching as there is no immediate rush to change.
 
#9 ·
Hi Goddo,
I could have gone for the 380BHp V6.
My original plan was the 300BHP engine.
I drove the 25T and in dynamic mode realised that anything more would be great in Scotland
but I am not there. Its a great engine in a great car.
You need no more power.
If the price is right then I would ensure future happiness.
She may believe you if you tell her its the tiniest petrol engine they do and so you are Mr. Green Life.
Or you could think about the damage you could do if you went for the SVR?
Best choice I ever made car wise,
Bimjob
 
#10 ·
I can't comment on the 25t petrol engine other than to say there are a lot of excited owners on here. For the driving experience I would recommend Jaguar. I just can't wait for an excuse for a road trip and that hasn't worn off yet since April 2018! I can't believe it will have been two years of ownership in April 2020. As others have said, I looked across the car park yesterday and there was not a single car that came close to mine in looks and nothing else I envied and a 220 mile round trip yesterday was a breeze in horrible wet conditions with ADSR on. Hope you find a good example.
 
#11 ·
We have just pulled the trigger and bought the 25T I mentioned on Saturday.
Given that we have only just driven the car home from the garage and the only other experience we have was the road test on Saturday, we are quite happy and will only be able to put in some faster miles in a few days time. Then we can get a feel for mid/upper range performance.
Also, is there any way that I can find out what the build list was (ie any extras fitted) now that I have the chassis number, please?
 
#14 ·
I have the P300 F-Type, the same engine as the 300hp in the F-Pace. We done 26.000km sofar, through mountains, als testing the top speed ;
no worries sofar at all. If you are, just extend the warranty before it expires 3 yrs from now. By then some high-milers must be around and the reliablility more known. But if th 25T suits you, stay with that. We did 7.9L/100km [ 35.7MPG ] with the F-Type. Not driving like a maniac, but as fast as allowed, and also flippering through the alps [ ]. This is a topspeed attempt in Germany after running in the engine and the alpine tour : .
 
#16 ·
Amazing scenery! Have you driven north of Bergen in Norway? Similar but narrower roads.

Regarding the speed test, I managed to squeeze 238 kph (148 mph) on a dry, empty stretch of Autobahn last December on the way back from Frankfurt. I was quite impressed the car actually nearly did the maximum advertised speed but, the unrestricted speed limit stretches of road are quite short on that route up to Brussels and you soon run out of road!
 
#17 ·
@Smitten. I have been to Nordkap, in 1983.. ..with a very old Peugeot 304..

Indeed. Either the stretch you can actually drive fast enough is too short, or too much traffic is around.
Be carefull speeding in Belgium they installed lots of new camera's..
 
#18 ·
Cameras everywhere these days! The are on the Autobahn around Frankfurt for example and are set at the speed limit - zero tolerance - I got a ticket for being 4 kph over the speed limit . Lots more in the UK too. The so called "smart motorway" sections being installed in the UK are peppered with cameras and each region can decide how they are set - to just over the limit, 10% over or only to work when speed restrictions are in place. Scotland has average speed cameras everywhere including a huge stretch of the A9...time to get a self-driving Tesla ;)
 
#19 ·
@ Smitten.
I think I'll move to the US. Some States have no speedlimits, petrol is cheap, taxes are low.. ..no EU.. Sounds great.
Except for the idiots who also are known as 'democrats' . Maybe they can move to Mexico ?
 
#21 ·
@Jeffreywoodham.
The base of comparison was the politics in the Netherlands. Ask any friend who lives here. Government is raving mad ;
all on the subject of cars that is..
 
#23 ·
Can't say I've seen any evidence of the people you're referring to screaming jibes at each other in this thread goddo, in fact you are the one who is resorting to using capitals and multiple question marks in your post, which actually looks to be the most inflammatory so far! Don't get me wrong, I'm completely with you as far as political discussions being unlikely to result in anything more than bitter disagreements on the forum, so engagement in them is not to be recommended if we want to get along and discuss things car-related sensibly. Please everyone, just take a few breaths and keep proceedings calm and civil. Cheers :)
 
#24 ·
@Catwoman. +1
 
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