Remote start - again slight twist

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Re: Remote start - again slight twist

Post by Jim » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:31 pm

dw-fp-jag wrote:
Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:30 am
Wow... must hammer fuel consumption sat there idling away on cold mornings. A design fault methinks :idea:

Nope, exactly as it should be to warm the car on frosty mornings or to cool it on very hot days, if the engine didn't start it would quickly deplete the battery with the aircon compressor or an electric heater running.

It auto turns off after some period (30 mins maybe, can't remember the exact amount of time though it is in the handbook) if you don't enter the car or turn it off yourself. I find that about 10 mins or so is all it has needed last winter or so far this summer to heat up or cool down.

This feature only works if the car is fully locked and the alarm is armed, and it remains like that until you enter the car, so it won't be nicked while it is sat with the engine running, (or at least not any more likely than if the engine wasn't running).

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Re: Remote start - again slight twist

Post by JLRnumber5 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:37 pm

The only slight "now what on earth were they thinking" moment comes when you open the tailgate rather than a door because the engine turns off. No idea what scenario they are imagining. Makes no sense. However a minor niggle. You soon learn to open a door first before loading the dog!
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Re: Remote start - again slight twist

Post by Jim » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:28 pm

JLRnumber5 wrote:
Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:37 pm
The only slight "now what on earth were they thinking" moment comes when you open the tailgate rather than a door because the engine turns off. No idea what scenario they are imagining. Makes no sense. However a minor niggle. You soon learn to open a door first before loading the dog!

I find I fall foul of this when leaving hotels on frosty mornings, stagger up to the back of the car to load my case, etc. and the engine cuts out, I rarely remember to grab a door handle on the way past before opening the tailgate :oops:
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Re: Remote start - again slight twist

Post by Djmc321 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:39 pm

Dragging this thread back up as had a really odd incident over the Xmas period which involved a very irate man running up to me (when I returned to my Jag in council public car park) telling me that I was breaking the law and that he'd called the police! I tried to explain that it was remote start for climate rather than me walking off with the keys in the ignition, but he was not having any of it and was smugly telling me how I will get called by the police. All a bit odd but I presume from the lack of police action (they didn't come out there and then, nor did they follow up with me after) that he was overenthusiasticly misguided in his intentions.

I can admit it's very odd to see a car start up unattended and I've had a few comments before from people thinking I've left the keys behind, but this is the first time someone has threatened me and called the police!

Just wondering now if anyone else has had a similar argument with a member of public, or whether I'm just unlucky! It's made me a little anxious over using the features again to avoid future confrontation. At least I'm a lot more versed in the Road Traffic Act 1988 & Road Traffic (Vehicle Emissions) Regulations 2002 to come up with a better response next time!
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Re: Remote start - again slight twist

Post by Smitten » Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:45 pm

I must admit I am reluctant to use this feature for environmental reasons and to avoid the sort of complaints you received Djmc321. I would also probably avoid it in any kind of public location/car park as I would be worried about exhaust fumes pumping out unnecessarily. Emissions must be really high starting a car from cold and running it like this whether petrol or diesel. I find it strange that we all have stop/start fitted to reduce emissions but its OK to remote start the car and run the engine for 30 minutes whilst the car stands still pumping out fumes, just to warm up the inside! I have a heated steering wheel and seats and these are toasty within a minute or so and the screen clears pretty much instantly as well. If your butt is toasty and hands warm you really don't notice the car being cold inside for a few minutes! In Yorkshire in the 1960's we used to go to school in shorts in winter (it was the uniform) and had one coal fire in the living room t heat a whole house so I do think we are all little pampered these days ;)

I think if it was -15C in Scandinavia/Canada you could possibly justify remote start but they tend to use a different solution. You quite often get block heater points in public car parks that pre-heat coolant/engine block so the car starts easier and warms up quicker and lots of cars have them fitted. Picture from Kiruna in northern Sweden.

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Re: Remote start - again slight twist

Post by jagman2017 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:12 pm

I’d be worried if the M25 wasn’t like a car park and councils stopped blocking off cut through roads and dumping all the traffic on to main roads causing traffic jams with bottle necked junction and turning over half the roads to busses that are half empty.
We pay a congestion charge to use central London why it’s more congested now than ever so what does the money pay for.
Not road improvements half the sitting traffic making more emissions wouldn’t be there if the roads was reopened and traffic could find an alternative route it’s not rocket science.
In Islington they put width restrictions in that are not needed just to service a cctv Camara to fine motorists
Not helping with emmisions so the stop start isn’t the problem it’s local government
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Re: Remote start - again slight twist

Post by Smitten » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:27 am

I suspect the problem is too many cars and too many car journeys but that isn't a popular message to the motoring public or car manufacturers. However, we are wandering away from the topic which was remote start...

I can actually see this feature getting banned in some countries quite soon with the big push to reduce emissions.
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Re: Remote start - again slight twist

Post by catwoman » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:03 am

Smitten wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:45 pm
Picture from Kiruna in northern Sweden.

Sorry to remain off-topic for a moment longer, but oh, how I long for the days when you could just do that with the windscreen wipers! . . what a complete and utter faff it is to do that on the FP :roll:

. . . must say I'm in total agreement with you on this Smitten, in fact the remote start feature on cars is a violation against the planet, it should not be routinely used (only in extremis), in the same way that some people feel like they have to make special journeys just to de-clog their DPFs, quite honestly it's an environmentally/socially irresponsible practice. JLR really need to start designing more forward thinking solutions into their vehicles, not persisting problems.
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Re: Remote start - again slight twist

Post by ksf » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:46 am

I have a German market car which I use outside Germany, so I cannot start the car remotely on the App.
However I have "Timed Climate with Remote Control" option which gives me another fob to start the heating from a distance and also on the Remote app I can turn it on via internet. I guess it is a better option for remote cabin climate control as it is less polluting the environment, more silent when operating.

the app shows "START" not "START ENGINE (for 30min)" and there is no Target temp. I could set.
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Re: Remote start - again slight twist

Post by Smitten » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:21 pm

catwoman wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:03 am

Sorry to remain off-topic for a moment longer, but oh, how I long for the days when you could just do that with the windscreen wipers! . . what a complete and utter faff it is to do that on the FP :roll:
I just had to look it up as I realised I had no idea how to do it! Still off topic....

http://www.ownerinfo.jaguar.com/documen ... c/G1805080
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