SDD Vs Pathfinder

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Reggraham
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SDD Vs Pathfinder

Post by Reggraham » Fri May 10, 2019 10:16 am

Well JLR made this big thing about the new Diagnostics over IP (DOIP) and all vehicles from 2017 will only be supported by Pathfinder and DOIP interfaces. The major fact behind this is the contract with Ford for Engines and Diagnostic support is coming to an end, so vehicles built from 2017 were not included in the SDD updates ( it doesn't recognise the VINs).
However this is not anything to do with hardware and software changes the major change happened when NGI (Next Generation Infotainment) was introduced and the interconnect bus for this changed from a fibre loop to ethernet. This happen around 2015 when the Space and Velar were launched and touch pro was released, all other vehicles 2012 to 2015 (facelift XF's etc) were GEN2.1 and for others the system was covered under NLI (God nows what that acronym means).
The vehicle CAN buses have not changed since 2015 so SDD communicates via the diagnostic CAN bus, but on Pathfinder systems it can directly interface the ethernet as the DOIP interface is in itself an ethernet device and talks to the PC via a USB to ethernet interface and then to the car through the diagnostic ethernet bus and then Via Gateways to the CAN Buses. Supposedly this allows for multi stream communications making diagnostics much quicker and module updates quicker and hopefully more reliable than before although this is dependent on the interface. In theory it should be possible to connect an ethernet cable direct to the vehicle but as the vehicle can't support wake-up on Lan there is an extra cable so that extra cable is part of the DoIP interface. Vehicles still need to support OBDII connections so older DTC readers etc can still work as well as older CAN/ISO adapters.
For people who tinker with JLR vehicles this has caused a major problem within SDD the Car Configuration file (CCF) could be edited directly, or via the SoftwareDownload.htm utility provided free for some markets such as the USA, Pathfinder has removed this and now changes to CCF are controlled through what is determined as online programming so only specific changes can be made such as accessory edition user preferences etc.
SoftwareDownload.htm will still interface with newer vehicles but as such their VIN will not be fully recognised ie inputing my M19 F-Pace Vin returns the options of New XF, XE and F-Pace as possible vehicles. I haven't tested it yet but will be in the next couple of days just to see what it reads from the CCF using the old SDD interface as my new DOIP one isn't working properly with SDD yet.
Most of this seems to be being driven by Bosch as they are now the biggest manufacturer of car diagnostic equipment.
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Re: SDD Vs Pathfinder

Post by Reggraham » Fri May 17, 2019 10:00 am

for those that like to know how things fit together like me finding he difference between a MY17 and MY18 car in the electronics as they now need different diagnostics software. The basic difference is Jaguar now us DoIP as mentioned above, I couldn't see that there were going to be major changes between a MY17 and MY18 that would cost JLR too much money across the ranges. However a fairly major change had to be made the contract with Ford had ended so use of the Ford Engines and Ford vehicle diagnostics had to go. There is only two minor changes with major impact, the Body Control Module was changed and the cabling on the diagnostic connector was changed. The BCM is the ethernet interface the diagnostics now connect to it then connects to all the other vehicle buses as before. The vehicles can still support OBDII so any of the off the shelf diagnostic readers still work but for everything else it has to go via the ethernet link.
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Re: SDD Vs Pathfinder

Post by HML » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:04 pm

Recently a colleague of mine has bought a diagnostic reader for his (4th gen) Discovery.
With this he is able to find a lot about the status of the car and to reset a number of flags.
I would be keen to do the same with the Jaguar.
But before committing to purchasing a tool wanted to make sure I went for the right one.
My car was registered from new on 2/3/2017. So I believe that this makes it a 2016 model.
I have seen ads for products such as the Foxwell NT510 pro that connect to the OBDII port and claim to support ABS, DPF, EPB, SAS, SRS, TPMS but as these are not really "cheap" wanted to make sure this would work considering that your post mentions a change in software.
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Re: SDD Vs Pathfinder

Post by June16 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:35 am

The other main driver for this change is JLR long standing conscious hate of price undercutting independents . JLR now charge many thousands for the kit to connect to the vehicles under Pathfinder.

Thus since it’s introduction many independents have thrown in the towel and can no longer work on those vehicles.

It’s all down to money in the end.
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Re: SDD Vs Pathfinder

Post by Reggraham » Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:05 pm

The number of interfaces available for pathfinder will increase as it did with SDD and not are as expensive as it seems there are two Chines made ones not clones for around £400 a clone at about £450 the Bosch one at £585 + VAT an Diagnostic Associates have just released theirs at £495 + VAT. Diagnostic Associates produced comparable devices for the independent market that JLR also used and the JLR VCI is one of theirs. I have used a DA-Dongle with SDD for quite some time now and have just moved to the DA-DOIP for both SDD and Pathfinder.
Some of these part suppliers are charging a fortune for the kit when all that is needed is a comparable laptop running windows 7 (32bit) and the interface the software is free too download from Topix. I have seem some people charge around £2000 for a laptop setup when a suitable laptop costing around £400 an interface costing around £600 will do.
Anyone confident using a PC can install the software the instructions from Topix are pretty clear. In all case you need a login to Topix you can setup an account as an independent and go pat as you go for information the software will work once you have a Topix login. There are going to be restrictions on what you can do with the software but these restrictions also apply to dealers they are not going to let you do what they can do in the factory.
If you want to really play with pre 2017 vehicles there are plenty of cracks on the internet to download for free for certain versions of SDD, so far I haven't seen or heard of a cracked Pathfinder. But if all you want to do are basic maintenance fault finding etc then all you need is the basic software and no more.
My setup runs on a second hand core i7 HP Laptop and a DA-Doip now but before a DA-Dongle, I paid £300 for the laptop and it works brilliantly.
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Re: SDD Vs Pathfinder

Post by Reggraham » Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:40 pm

I have now produced a standalone CCF editor for use with Pathfinder its available on eBay or via Personal Message. I have successfully added Auto High Beam to my Xenon based F-Pace. I have attached a screen shot. If anyone in the UK that doesn’t have pathfinder I do offer a programming service PM me for details.
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Re: SDD Vs Pathfinder

Post by ChicagoFpace » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:00 pm

Hi Reggraham,

Since it sounds like you have a good understanding of how to edit the CCF files in SSD & Pathfinder i'm hoping you may be able to advise me on if something is possible with your software. I have a 2017 F-Pace S with the old-style digital dash, I'd like to update this if possible to the newer digital dash available on 2019+ models...the old digital dash looks horrible and appears low-resolution & dated in my opinion.

From my research the parts for the display are all the same - but this might be a SSD vs Pathfinder issue. Since the 2017 F-Pace is SSD, is it possible for the new style digital dash to be loaded on the vehicle, since this only comes stock on newer Pathfinder vehicles?

Or is this something that would be possible with your CCF Editor for Pathfinder? Is it backwards compatible with 2017 vehicles?
I'd also like to enable winter wiper park & automatic parking sensors (my dealer told me both aren't possible...which i know isn't true since others have done this on a 2017).

Cheers,
Mark

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Re: SDD Vs Pathfinder

Post by Reggraham » Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:08 am

The CCF editor won’t help the firmware of the old display is different, check wiring between the two versions to see if they can be swapped.
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Re: SDD Vs Pathfinder

Post by Jalees » Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:46 pm

Hi,
May I ask since you have already done all the bits is it possible to configure dip side view mirrors while reversing ? Mine is just retractable power mirrors. No memory pack.
I looked up your suggestions which are too valuable to be honest but the cost is a bit too much just to enable few things here and there but would definitely become valuable if you are a DIY kind a person and no longer have warranty plus passionate :)

Thanks.

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KJ
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Ex owner of Mercedes C200 AMG Line premium plus. I keep comparing the options and get disappointed sometimes JAG is missing out from half priced car.

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