[Bobcat]

For the first time, I'm in a position to be able to run winter tyres. Up to a couple of years ago, I had no space for storage and then when I did, I wasn't sure how long I'd be keeping my current Q5. I'm mulling over whether to get a second set of aftermarket wheels for the winter tyres or run the original Jag wheels year-round and get my local tyre fitter to do the twice yearly tyre swap. Costing it over 5 years, I reckon the price will be similar for both methods, possibly cheaper for the separate wheels if I can sell them on at the end (or keep for a second F-Pace).

My question is whether any of you have had experience doing this on JLR cars, or other brands, and fitting TMPS sensors to the second wheels? Is it easy to get the car to see the new sensors and will it retain programming for two sets? I've seen one supplier who offers to clone new sensors from the originals but they need the sensor ID's which I don't know if that's easy to find? I'm making the assumption here that getting Jaguar dealers to supply, fit and program would be stupidly expensive.

Or, I could just not bother with TMPS in the second wheels. Reading the online manual, it says you'll get a TPMS fault warning which will clear when the originals are put back on in the spring and not to worry about it. The car's future MOTs (assuming it's delivered in the next 2-3 weeks) would be in October when I'm running the original summers so don't need to worry about it failing the test on that count.

Appreciate any experiences/thoughts you may have. Many thanks!

 

[corriescar66]

I have done the same on my RRS for the last 3 years.... I bought a second set of JLR wheels and a new set of TPMS valves with some fabulous Pirelli Sotto Zeros. These were from a specialist wheel/tyre centre SE London, but the valves were JLR supplied. They didn't need to be 'programmed' - just connected immediately with system - I think they all use the same bluetooth/wireless signal (would need to check if the FPace is similar.) About £40 per valve...

I did it because my main set were diamond turned & didn't want them corroding in the salt. Having specced the 22" Healix I may get a set of 20" as don't want the expense of 22" winter tyres. Not sure if I will go aftermarket. If it's delivered in the next few weeks then it would never go to dealers with them on (apart from the frequent ICTP patches! :lol:

Hope that helps a bit!

 

[corriescar66]

And only once had a problem with this, but it turned out to be a failure of one of the valves, which was replaced under warranty.. Otherwise just paid a local tyre centre £20 to swap the wheels twice each year!

 

[Big Pimp]

Does anyone know the PCD of the Jaguar wheels?

I've had a set of 20" stormer wheels running general grabber all terrain tyres with my last 2 Range Rover sports for both winter and off road driving.

If the pcd is the same I'll likely keep my stormers and all terrain tyres and use them if the weather becomes bad.

They were epic on my current Sport when the snow came last year!

 

[corriescar66]

F Pace:
ET 45/40mm
Studs 5 x 108
Bore 63.4 mm

RRS Mk 1 has (on 20" wheels)

ET 53mm
Studs 5 x 120
Bore 72.6mm

Bore 72.6mm

So, sadly no.....

 

[Arianne]

So I have done both options.

For eight years I swapped the tyres across each Autumn and Spring on our Volvo XC90. The dealer never marked the alloys.

Then in 2014 I bought an XC60 and I invested in a second winter set of alloys. My OE wheels are gorgeous 20" diamond cut. The winter rims came from Volvo and are 18" standard silver finish rims.

On the positive side, the diamond cut alloys are vulnerable to white-worm caused by water ingress under the lacquer and salt. So having them stored safely in my garage in a rack was reassuring. It's also a slightly better ride on the smaller 18" rims because of the bigger tyre wall.

In the down side, for 5mths of every year my car looks dull because it rides on 18" rims. And that annoys me because I paid extra for the option of the bigger alloys.

My next car comes in March 2017. I will just swap the tyres rather than buy another set of rims. Pirelli now do 22" winter tyres, they're easier to load / unload to take to the dealer compared to the full wheels and the dealer has confirmed that he sees no reason why they can't just swap the valves between them as they are not, to quote him literally, "Kwik Fit but Clelands and we never damage your wheels". Which happens to be true.

Pays your money and takes your choice.

My dilemma now is the choice of 22" wheels. I will probably revert to the double helix because they are not diamond cut. Just need to let the dealer know and they will be rolling their eyes because I only agreed and signed off on the Vista order yesterday!

Best wishes.

Arianne

 

[Bonkers]

I live in a village in South Northants, which in my 1 series Beemer, I cannot move in 1" of snow. If I make it 500 yards onto the treated main road I'm fine and down in the balmy south, that's as bad as it normally gets. So you usually there are about 2 days every 3 years where I am stuck at home.
I am expecting that this car having 4 wheel drive should be able to manage this on the summer tyres without me needing to buy winter ones. Would you agree?

 

[Big Pimp]

F Pace:
ET 45/40mm
Studs 5 x 108
Bore 63.4 mm

RRS Mk 1 has (on 20" wheels)

ET 53mm
Studs 5 x 120
Bore 72.6mm

Bore 72.6mm

So, sadly no.....

Thank you very much for compiling back so quickly.

Another thing I have to sell off then!

 

[Arianne]

I live in a village in South Northants, which in my 1 series Beemer, I cannot move in 1" of snow. If I make it 500 yards onto the treated main road I'm fine and down in the balmy south, that's as bad as it normally gets. So you usually there are about 2 days every 3 years where I am stuck at home.
I am expecting that this car having 4 wheel drive should be able to manage this on the summer tyres without me needing to buy winter ones. Would you agree?

No, sorry. AWD is not the magic it's the rubber boots. I would rather have FWD /RWD with winter tyres as they will outperform AWD on summer tyres by a considerable margin. Plus all cars brake on four wheels so AWD a will make no difference for you.

You can see this played out on YouTube if you check some clips of comparisons. Believe me, winter tyres are fabulous - they defy the laws of physics. Winter tyres + AWD and good ground clearance = invincible. AWD + summer tyres + SUV = disappointment!

Arianne

 

[catwoman]

Yes, agree with you there Arianne. It bugs me that Jag are supplying these cars with tyres that are only good for the summer months . . I am yet to resolve what I'm going to do about that though. Living at just under 300m above sea level, amongst some pretty rugged hills, I'm going to have to make a decision soon too. My Evoque's tyres were M &S and were amazing all year round. These P Zeros, as supplied on my FP, are completely different beasts!

 

[corriescar66]

Thank you very much for compiling back so quickly.

Another thing I have to sell off then!

Me too, been trying to sell my immaculate style 10's with winter tyres for a while now!

Found these that fit F Pace.. Riva DTM £895 for 4 rims...

wheel 20.jpg

A possible option - clean, painted and £100 a corner cheaper than the best winter tyres I could find for 22" (£305 each)....

 

[Arianne]

Yes, agree with you there Arianne. It bugs me that Jag are supplying these cars with tyres that are only good for the summer months . . I am yet to resolve what I'm going to do about that though. Living at just under 300m above sea level, amongst some pretty rugged hills, I'm going to have to make a decision soon too. My Evoque's tyres were M &S and were amazing all year round. These P Zeros, as supplied on my FP, are completely different beasts!

Over the last few years I have toyed with the option of buying All Season tyres and running them all year. But there's a flaw with this.

First, winter tyres and all-seasons performance in snow fade considerably once tread depth falls below 4mm. So, at this point I could only use the all-seasons during the summer anyway and would need to invest in proper winter tyres for snow and ski holidays in the Alps.

Second, I am buying the F-Pace to enjoy driving on the fast back roads in the countryside of Scotland, where we live. In the summer I want high quality performance tyres with a summer compound rather than a compromise.

So if Jaguar had offered the option of all-season tyres with the M&S logo then I would have declined the option. For the Alps they also need the little snowflake logo otherwise the alpine police won't consider them proper winter tyres and, if you have an accident without running the right tyres in winter, you're almost certainly going to be hammered in Germany. Probably elsewhere too.

Arianne

 

[catwoman]

^ Assuming that should have read 4mm, not 4cm.

So, dedicated winter tyres, I can see that for your Alpine driving trips . . I'm probably going to go for a compromise for life in the Dales. Welcome any other thoughts and opinions.

 

[Big Pimp]

Thank you very much for compiling back so quickly.

Another thing I have to sell off then!

Me too, been trying to sell my immaculate style 10's with winter tyres for a while now!

Found these that fit F Pace.. Riva DTM £895 for 4 rims...

wheel 20.jpg

A possible option - clean, painted and £100 a corner cheaper than the best winter tyres I could find for 22" (£305 each)....

seems crazy, doesn't it that JLR as the one company don't have something as simple as similar PCD as each other.

interestingly, 5 x 108 is the same PCD as my 2015 Ford Transit connect work van!!!

i've spotted these on eBay - same style as fitted to the Discovery 4 Landmark edition - could be an option considering I have the tyres already

 

[Bobcat]

Thanks for the replies so far. Relief to hear the TPMS should play. Guess the programming the sites refer to is set the generic sensors ready for the right manufacturer.

My main reasoning for the second wheel set was so I could do the changeover myself and be a more flexible with the timing rather than when the tyre fitter is free. Not that I've ever changed a wheel before!

Am I right in thinking that whilst M+S tyres have tread patterns suitable for snow, they don't necessarily have the softer rubber of dedicated winters for the better on road grip?

I like the idea of an M+S to have some mild off road ability, but whether I would actually use that capability is debatable. I also get to drive through the Borders and Yorkshire Dales and I do like to push it through the twisties, so M+S probably aren't the best for that. And if I go for an all-rounder to avoid the changeovers, then I'm still stuck with the summer set the car will be delivered on.

Shame there isn't one tyre which can do everything...

 

[Bobcat]

I live in a village in South Northants, which in my 1 series Beemer, I cannot move in 1" of snow. If I make it 500 yards onto the treated main road I'm fine and down in the balmy south, that's as bad as it normally gets. So you usually there are about 2 days every 3 years where I am stuck at home.
I am expecting that this car having 4 wheel drive should be able to manage this on the summer tyres without me needing to buy winter ones. Would you agree?

During the snowy winters of 2009/10 and 2010/11, my Q5 Quattro coped admirably on summers. Hill starts could be tricky, but once underway she kept going, even up some steep hills. BUT, as Arianne says, stopping wasn't quite such a breeze - had to be very careful coming back down, as well as on narrow car-lined roads with compacted ice not to slide sideways.

If you plan to only stick with summers, at least get some snow socks for when things get really bad. I got mine just after those winters but they've never been out the bag :roll:

 

[Arianne]

I remember the winters of 2009-2011, I think. They were truly amazing. The local newspaper carried a little letter I had sent them about a tyre that most folk had never heard of before - winter tyres! Local tyre centres were selling tyres from unknown brands from India for £££ as people snatched for some winters to help them get to work etc.

Meanwhile, in my AWD XC90 we were having a fabulous time. Honestly, it's true that some winters there is very little snow in Northern England / Scotland. But when there is...... AWD and winter tyres are truly magical. I have driven on snow covered roads so steep in Austria that we don't have anything like it in the UK. In Austria, they have so much snow that they wouldn't know what to do with it if they tried to scrape it all off of the roads, so they just drive on top of it....... at 40mph on their winter wheels, quite unbelievable.

They ain't cheap, it is hassle to swap them over but since you have AWD then, if you live in a colder and snowier part of the U.K., you will love the go anywhere joy of what you have bought and you will just pray for snow so you can get out there and have some fun.

I will get a couple of shots from my PC and hook them up on here. Honestly, you have AWD and so really experience the true feeling of the thing when the weather throws all its got at you.

Best wishes,

Arianne

 

[Arianne]

Here we go...

 

[Bonkers]

I don't intend to buy winter tyres / additional wheels / pay for for bi-annual rubber changes for the 2-3 days every couple of years that I would need them. If the car can't handle it - it can't handle it and will stay at home.
I have done my time driving crappy old bangers (FIAT panda, Citroen Picasso) with front wheel drive and summer tyres, which have managed to cope with climbing a small hill to the main road in 1" of snow.
The only car I have had that couldn't manage this was the Beemer I have been driving for the last 5 years (which I couldn't even reverse out of a flat parking space).
I am hoping that the AWD will be enough to be as good as a Citroen on summer tyres. If not - I guess I will just work from home.