If you research this engine it goes back to 2009. It's been uprated a couple of times since then, but its origins are with Ford. The motoring press seem to like it though. Wonder how long it will be before JLR develop an 3 L ingenium.
had planned to go for the 2.0litre, but drove the XF 2.0d at the weekend and felt completely underwhelmed. Yes it was smooth and relatively quiet but had no poke whatsoever. Going for the 3.0S pushes the cost up to £57 for me with specced with options. This is too much and more than I paid for my Porsche new.
Don't know what to do now, may cancel my pre-order.
Volvo have their 4 pot diesel returning 225PS for the new XC90 a whole 45PS more than Jaguar. I know it is for environmental reasons but the 2.0d litre needs more power in my opinion.
Rock solid residuals are just a load of nonsense. The Porsche Cayenne is suppose to be rock solid but they still drop 50% in 3 years. Then Porsche add 6k to whatever price they gave you and resale. The dealers are the only ones that win .
My Cayenne diesel (that will be going for the F PACE) was £64k new and is three years old in March, I've been offered £40k by both the dealer and a third party so more like a 37% loss on the buy price. If the F PACE retains 55-60% over three years that will not be a bad outcome (relatively speaking).
I'm really trying to ascertain how much the 3.0L petrol will be worth over the diesel, if it's not too harsh I might go for the fun factor
I'm not sure about the Cayenne, that's been around for a long time now so I wouldn't expect residuals to be strong? I believe the Macan is holding it's value, and certainly did when they were first released - the waiting list was 12+ months?
I did very well with my Evoque - I think it only really applies to game changer cars.
I'd love the 380PS petrol but my dealer warned me away from it purely for residual reasons. I'm not a fan of diesel and my mileage doesn't warrant one so I'm a bit stuck. I did notice a 340PS petrol on the configurater the other day but at the same time no prices were available for any models, I can only assume they were updating it, as now the prices have reappeared but the 340PS has disappeared, wish I'd taken a screen shot, it was available in all specs unlike the 380S.
I think/hope the petrol residuals will be strong. I believe in 3 years time diesels will start to be penalised and the relatively few super charged petrol F Paces will be sought after. Jaguar enthusiasts like the petrol engines (look at how many XK's and F Type petrols have been sold...
I know it's not a true indication of market value but the future guaranteed value from Jag finance for both the 3.0L diesel and petrol is very similar.
If nothing else I'll have fun driving it, you only live once
I couldnt agree with you more, the 2 Ltr is very poor.
Like you, last week, I took the 2 Ltr XF out and also the 3 Ltr XF - what a difference between them the 2 Ltr very underpowered and IMHO not worth purchasing
The 3 Ltr is no where as powerful as my 3 Ltr S Class the F Pace is supposed to replace
I had a 3 Ltr Macan for a 48 hr test drive and If you compare the engine performance of Macan and XF there is absolute no comparison - and the XF engine is going in the F Pace - so ...... A lot of head scratching at the moment
I certainly will not order a F Pace on the strength of pictures and the preview next Thursday in Manchester, I have to wait until they are available to test drive - perhaps and only perhaps not such a game changer or challenge to Porche Macan - only time will tell - good luck to all
I've sold my last two Porsches to a specialist who come and view the car, the. Wait whilst the funds transfer to your account. This is good as removes hassle of selling privately and typically is more than p/ex but less than a private sale.
In 3 years at £20-30k the F Pace will be a lot of car for the money...there will also be less petrol super charged models around which will hopefully help the residual.
Look at the Macan petrol residuals which are holding up well.
A lot will depend on how many Jaguar make. The XE residuals are quite strong compared to BMW, but they are woeful now so I'm not sure how good that makes them. The F-Type convertible was overpriced and Jaguar flooded the market, the prices bombed. I had an early F-Type V6S coupe and didnt loose a great deal when I sold it at one year old, the V8 hasn't faired so well. Porsche are good at limiting supply, I'll probably wait close to a year for my Macan GTS, other models were 18 months not too long ago, this in turn keeps prices very strong, there isn't a car on Autotrader less than list price, yes they may have lost some of the cost of options but some are 18 month old. If Jaguar simply ramp up supply to meet demand (and why wouldn't they) prices in the long term will just be average. Anyone got a crystal ball :lol:
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