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Hi all, I am the new owner of a 2016 1st Edition F Pace with 38k on the clock. The car is fantastic however I seem to have terrible handling issues that to me feel dangerous. I took the car to a local garage as I thought there was suspension damage or something only to be told the car was fine and the problems I was experiencing were due to the 22" alloys tram-lining. I can feel the wheels do pick up road faults and have felt this before in other cars with big wheels but nowhere near to this extent. Today at 70 in the rain on a dual carriageway sweeping left I thought I was going to lose control the wheel was fighting me so much! Under heavy braking the car is all over the shop. I can't believe a car of this pedigree would be so awful and that its simply a 'Big wheel issue'. Have any of you experienced the same and found a more serious issue at fault?? I bought the car online and had it delivered so I do not have long to back the car if required, but do not want to if this issue can be fixed!
 

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If I got it right what you are trying to say.
If there is some uneven road the car pulls in that direction at Full force where you need to grab the steering hard and pull it in Other direction to control it ?
If that is the case I even first thought car got bigger wheels and bigger contact patch so that might be causing it. F pace was my first suv with 19inch wheels.
Well now I have other brand suv and bigger wheels.20inch than fpace on it and same road same driver same driving habits and car just behaves normal.no more pulling on uneven roads.
It was dangerous to me when I first experienced that pulling then I got used to of it by holding steering really hard with good grip.
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Check your "Steering Assist" is OFF. It can fight against you if it can't see the lane markings.

Otherwise, and if it's not the steering assist, it should NOT fight you like that. There is obviously a fault. My F-Pace handles beautifully. And I would only use steering assist on long, well-marked freeway drives.
 

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On my 2016 model the button isn't on the steering wheel. It is on the fascia below and to the right (on a RHD model) of the steering wheel - item 33 in the diagram above. On later models they switched the lane assist and speed limiter buttons round.
 

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Steering assist can make handling feel weird but is in no way dangerous, you mentioned braking, should it cancel on braking?.
No way should the FPace handle badly, at 38k there could easily be a suspension fault, the cheapest way to find out is take it to an MOT station, tell them your concerns they will check thoroughly, it's nothing to do with tyres.
 

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I found the lane assist and it was off. I used the car in dynamic mode all day today which got rid of the bouncy suspension however did nothing to resolve the lateral wobble and steering pull which is mainly under braking (which makes it even more dangerous) I did pay for a garage to check the suspension and wheels they charged me £40 and found no issues. Maybe it's a mix of tram lining and a braking problem? Really appreciate the help all. It is booked in for a mpi and service in Nov with Jaguar so will have to get them to check then. (Earliest I could get it booked in)!
 

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How are the tyre pressures and TPMS setting? Do you have some tyres with considerably more tread than others? I had handling issues with a car with newer front tyres and more worn rears previously. I have 22" wheels and find the handling very sure footed but you do need to make sure tyre pressures are spot on.
 

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Well I I think you are experiencing what I did you have to change your style nothing can be done.
It will pull and you would need to be cautious period.
Probably it's something to do with cars weight distribution.
I bet what you are experiencing is something called like aquaplaning but there is no water but you still get that feeling on uneven roads.
Nothing can be done. I invested a lot of time rotated tyres and got it checked although my car was new.
That's the handling which you need to over come it's not a car it's a big suv.

Thanks.

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An FPace isn't going to handle like a Hot Hatchback but it is pretty good for a large 4x4, much better than a Disco or RR.

If the car pulls to one side on braking and there is no visible sign (pads and discs ok) you have a caliper stuck, it should not do that. Some owners have had problems with wheel bearings too, difficult to detect unless it's jacked up
 

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Definitely worth getting the car checked over by a Jaguar specialist. I had similar problems with my old SLK230, the steering felt as if it had a mind of its own.
A new steering damper and 4 wheel alignment helped, the problem was finally resolved by replacing all the tyres.
Hope you get sorted.
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Smitten - Thanks for your advise, I had different tyre pressures when I bought the car so changed all to 34psi on 22" wheels. There are also issues with tread as the two rear tyres (supposed to have been replaced and new) where in fact just above legal limit. One of the front tyres is nearly new and the other front has about 6mm tread. I am waiting to get the money for the tyres from the supplying dealer as they had promised. When I do I was thinking of putting the new tyres on the front as I guess they will wear quicker.
 

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Despite the FPace having ability to power both axles, it is continuously variable how the power is distributed and the AWD system is biased to the rear for most normal driving situations, so the rear tyres will wear more quickly.

If you can't have a full new set of tyres I personally think it would be better to put new tyres on the rear. Hope your handling issue gets resolved.
 

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Smitten - Thanks for your advise, I had different tyre pressures when I bought the car so changed all to 34psi on 22" wheels. There are also issues with tread as the two rear tyres (supposed to have been replaced and new) where in fact just above legal limit. One of the front tyres is nearly new and the other front has about 6mm tread. I am waiting to get the money for the tyres from the supplying dealer as they had promised. When I do I was thinking of putting the new tyres on the front as I guess they will wear quicker.
Interesting. It was worn rear tyres that caused my issues on a previous car. I wonder whether this difference in the amount of rubber front to back and having one front tyre with more rubber causes some small difference in the steering geometry and might be responsible for the tramlining feeling? Less rubber will alter rolling radius of wheel slightly. I am not an engineer but it seems logical. Looking at the annual service wear report on my tyres from new, fronts and backs are wearing evenly but a little more to the outside than inside. This is probably down to cornering a bit too fast I suspect. The rear tyres take the wear from predominant rear wheel drive as Catwoman has indicated but in the case of the S the fronts have the weight of the 3.0 diesel engine block to contend with. End result is in my case they are wearing about the same. I would put new tyres on the rear as well.
 

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I second the comment on tyre pressures, it seems they're very sensitive by comparison to other vehicles.
I'm also on 22's and at first found the steering feel unsettling after moving from my XC60. With the weather changing and pressures following suit, i found that a the few psi (lower) different to recommendations made it feel even more likely to give a tram line like feel. I live along a narrow, busy and poorly surfaced B road, so was very conscious of keeping a good grip of the wheel as it does like to move about a little.
Correcting to the correct pressure gave a much better feel. Afterwards on a long motorway journey in very heavy rain it felt planted and sure footed, much more so than the Volvo. However, it does seem a little sensitive to surface changes.
 

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The car is booked in Tuesday for 2 new rear tyres and a front geo check so lets hope this sorts the issue or improves it at least. As recommended I will leave the new ones on the rear and perhaps up the tyre pressures a little. Thanks again all.
 

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Update is with 2 new rear tyres and an increase in tyre pressure all round to 40PSI the problem although improved is still terrible especially under braking. I think unfortunately I will have to move the car on as I can't put up with handling like that and do not want to spend thousands on smaller wheels or loads of investigation work as mechanically two separate garages have told me its fine. Shame.
 

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Just from experience - I had 2 Volvo S60's from new, and both were fitted with Pirelli P6000 tyres.
They both tramlined badly on those tyres.
I complained to Volvo, but the leasing company would only allow them to fit "factory replacement" tyres.
However, when the tyres were damaged or worn, I got the fitter to try Bridgestones, then Michelins, and it handled like a completely different car!
I would guess that at 38k it has had at least some of the tyres replaced, so I would suggest taking it to a tyre specialist centre and see what they say?
I have a 2018 3.0d S on original tyres with 22" wheels, and although it's a bit firm, it certainly doesn't tramline or wander.
Might also be worth getting a 4 wheel tracking check done just in case it has had a bad experience with a pothole or the like?
Most tyre centres will do the check for free, but may charge you for adjustments.
In summary, get the basics checked out before jumping to conclusions about faulty suspension, etc.

HTH Tim
 

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Hi Mark1, sorry to read your issues, i have had two First Edition models and like others the handling was very good especially for a large 4x4.

Can I ask do you have any specialist tyre and wheel alignment companies in your area, i am not talking quick fit or similar I am talking a specialist independent tyre center and wheel alignment specialist as I would suggest getting them to do a check of the tyres but also the wheel alignment as you may have an issue.

The car should not behave in the way you describe.

We have one of these specialist near to me and the equipment they use your never find in a Quick Fit or a Jaguar garage and they are experts in this, i have had my tyres replaced there every time and having visited and seen the cars they have they say that even new cars come out the factory with poor alignment.

May help with your issues.
 
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