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Firstly, a quick hello ... I've been lurking for about a week and have learnt so much in that time, so thank you all!

Just wanted to mention that Autocar magazine landed on my doormat today and has the full road test of the 2.0d R-Sport in case anyone wanted to see what they thought? ;)

It's not online yet ... I don't know how long they allow us "old school" print subscribers to feel special ... but the model tested is Rhodium Silver with 20' black venoms, black pack and privacy glass and running on passive dampers (the first one like this they have tested).

Turns out that it's not quite a positive as I'd hoped - mainly they don't particularly like the engine - but still ends up with 4 stars.

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Something not quite consistent here then as they did a review a week on a red 2.0d r sport and gave it 4.5 stars and raved about it saying its the one to go for! Even over the other engines as its a more agile ride? Auto express gave it 5 stars by the way!
 

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Hmmm, you're right ... exactly the same car (OV16MVH).

Curious then the different views of the performance - I wonder if some hack has tried some light offroading and knackered it in between reviews? :D
 

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Funny that the compared the F-Pace 2.0d with the X3 of similar power and number of gears yet it was the Jag with the superior in-gear performance.
 

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A 2L review I agree with at last, must have been because it was a full road test over a few days rather than the usual manufacturers fed introduction ;)
 

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I've tested both, back to back.

If I only had the budget, or was prepared only to spend the amount that could secure me a 2.0 Ingenium version then I would still be happy. Let me explain. At this price point the comparison is not with the V6 diesel but with all the other four cylinder diesels out there. I currently have a 2.0d diesel in my Volvo XC60, it's their very latest engine design like the Ingenium (suspiciously similar technology) and my assessment was that the Ingenium engine in the F-Pace was about the same.

You get strong torque and, in that band, the performance is decent. But to maintain that position in the torque band the gearbox needs to drop down a lot when, if you're cruising, you need some oomph to go with the flow of the traffic. Because all four cylinder diesels have a soundtrack that's not so pleasant on the ear, you notice it at that point.

But I would see the glass as half full. That's the budget, it's the Ingenium engine and I don't think any other manufacturer is offering a better engine and gearbox combination at that price point. What you do get is a car that is, to the eye, beautiful and almost identical to the much more expensive S model, if you specify R-Sport.

Right now, I have the budget for the bigger 3.0d V6, although even I had to think twice about the premium for choosing this car over Ingenium. Which is why I wanted to test them both back to back. My assessment is that the Jaguar design team has engineered a car with the potential to be fabulous when it has the smooth V6 engine underneath it and many journalists agree that, if money were ignored, that's true. So we will indulge ourselves this time.

I would agree that, for turn in, the Ingenium did feel a touch more nimble because it wasn't so nose heavy on country roads. It's marginal but it's true.

The AutoCar test car didn't have the configurable dynamics and, as I have said in other posts, that is essential for me as it transforms the ride (as is the case with the BMW X3 / X4). Our Ingenium test car didn't have this option and I knew it pretty quickly. I wonder if that influenced the testers in the magazine as it did make our car feel twitchy.

Anyway, if you've ordered an Ingenium powered car then be assured that this is still a very good car, when compared to all the other 2.0d cars offered by others. If you can afford it and you're prepared to mentally approve the extra spend, the 3.0d V6 is the stuff of sweet dreams.

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Agreed the "car" is brilliant, and deserves the AD pack to take full advantage, but as for the 2Litre engine (or the implementation in this particular vehicle) it just takes it from the list IMHO.

What it really needs is a 230bhp version but that would be taking a jump on the installation in the upcoming Defender poverty spec ;)
 

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Boxbrownie said:
Agreed the "car" is brilliant, and deserves the AD pack to take full advantage, but as for the 2Litre engine (or the implementation in this particular vehicle) it just takes it from the list IMHO.

What it really needs is a 230bhp version but that would be taking a jump on the installation in the upcoming Defender poverty spec ;)
I'm sure given a few months someone like Superchips will have a ECU tweak to extract close on 230hp from the engine, if you have the auto then you can be confident it's well up to the task of dealing with the extra power and torque and such a small increase is no burden on the engine either.
 

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Boxbrownie said:
Agreed the "car" is brilliant, and deserves the AD pack to take full advantage, but as for the 2Litre engine (or the implementation in this particular vehicle) it just takes it from the list IMHO.

What it really needs is a 230bhp version but that would be taking a jump on the installation in the upcoming Defender poverty spec ;)
I'm sure given a few months someone like Superchips will have a ECU tweak to extract close on 230hp from the engine, if you have the auto then you can be confident it's well up to the task of dealing with the extra power and torque and such a small increase is no burden on the engine either.
There are already companies out there who can re-map the engine its been in the Disco sport and RR Evouqe for almost 12 months now.

google for Evouqe re maps and you can finsd them
 

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Does the ECU remap void the warranty of the engine though? I read mixed results!
 

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Does the ECU remap void the warranty of the engine though? I read mixed results!
Well there are a couple of companies that take vehicles from landrover carry out tuning modifications and stick their badges on, 1 is Overfinch and the other JE Engineering and i believe the warranties are unaffected.
 

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Does the ECU remap void the warranty of the engine though? I read mixed results!
It will void any claim against a powertrain fault (like any manufacturer they would have problems saying your ECU mod caused the rear seat adjustment switch to fail ;) ), unless it is an approved JLR modification.
 

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sted24 said:
Does the ECU remap void the warranty of the engine though? I read mixed results!
It will void any claim against a powertrain fault (like any manufacturer they would have problems saying your ECU mod caused the rear seat adjustment switch to fail ;) ), unless it is an approved JLR modification.
Hmm I can unfortunately see that happening far too easily! Probably be best to actually collect the car and THEN decide if I want to breach that warranty, especially after including the 5 year service plan! The extra oomph does sound tempting but alas, that'll be something to contemplate down the road! Is it quite common for people to remap their ECU?
 

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sted24 said:
Boxbrownie said:
sted24 said:
Does the ECU remap void the warranty of the engine though? I read mixed results!
It will void any claim against a powertrain fault (like any manufacturer they would have problems saying your ECU mod caused the rear seat adjustment switch to fail ;) ), unless it is an approved JLR modification.
Hmm I can unfortunately see that happening far too easily! Probably be best to actually collect the car and THEN decide if I want to breach that warranty, especially after including the 5 year service plan! The extra oomph does sound tempting but alas, that'll be something to contemplate down the road! Is it quite common for people to remap their ECU?
Yes I believe it is a common upgrade people do to their vehicles , as I said if you did want s little more poke I'm pretty certain given a month or two there will be several power upgrades or even improved exhaust systems .
 

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Thank you very much!
 

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Getting back to the OP subject of the Autocar article. I popped into town yesterday and bought the magazine. It was the most detailed and well written review I have read so far.

If you have an Ingenium powered F-Pace on order, but haven't test driven it, then I would recommend buying the magazine.

Two things stand out. They say that the engine doesn't take kindly to being revved and doesn't deliver great power at the higher end. The urban true fuel economy was 33.7mpg with an average of 37mpg combined. The second thing was the suspension. This car didn't have configurable dynamics. It handled cornering well but at the expense of an unsettled ride. Getting the adaptive dynamics is the crucial option, in my opinion.

Because of the other strengths of the F-Pace package in R-Sport trim, they rate the car. But they said that a more powerful Ingenium engine can't come soon enough.

Okay, not what many of us perhaps want to hear but there it is. If one is buying an Ingenium powered F-Pace then it's important not to have unrealistic expectations about the performance. It will look the part, will handle well but owners may need to be forgiving on the straight line acceleration.

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I guess its all to do with what your after in a vehicle. The 2.0d is still a lighter vehicle than most cars in its class and according to other reviews i.e. auto express etc they give it 5 stars (even Autocar gave it 4.5 out of 5 stars in a previous review of the 2.0d - something very inconsistent wit their reviews IMO) and comment its even more agile in corners than the 3.0. 0-60 in 8.2 secs isn't to be sniffed at for a car of that size to be honest and I've test driven the 2.0d and it had far more grunt than my 2.0 VW Sharan!!
 
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