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#1 ·
Hi all
First let me say how amazing it is to have such a forum with all this useful information from you guys.
I am a potential new F-pace owner and never had a Jaguar or Land Rover car before.

My mind was fixed on getting a used Velar (cost of new one is out of my budget) but these are still quite expensive. I recently changed my mind and now I have (almost) decided that I want to get a used (Jaguar approved) F-Pace, 3.0 diesel V6. I wouldn't mind it being 2 years old as long as it doesn't have high mileage.

However, some of you here suggested that it would be better to get a 2018 model as these ones have fewer issues reported.
But since I am going for the 3.0 diesel V6, the cost of a used 2018 model with that engine would be out of my budget.

I am planning to visit my local dealer and test-drive a 25D model to see whether that is adequate for me or not (based on what I am reading here, 3.0d is the engine to go for in order to really have a fulfilling driving experience).

I would really appreciate your input/advice on the following:

1) Are there any specific issues that you should look for in a used F-Pace? (apart from checking if specific options are included or if it was rejected)
What would make you steer away from one?

2) There are a few used (Jaguar approved) First Edition's out there on autotrader.co.uk.
I understand that these are loaded with extras and of course with the 3.0 diesel V6 engine.
Assuming that the colors and price are not a problem, would you go for one of those or would you rather go for a used 2018 model with fewer extra's (taking into account that FE's may have more issues as they were the first to come out).

I know of course that such decisions come down to personal preferences but your input and advice would be highly appreciated and help me make up my mind :)

Steve
 
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#2 ·
Hello and welcome, yes a newer car should have less issues but some are not fault free even brand new, if your looking at a 2 year old car I would be interested in the ITCP system if that's what you are looking for as this has and is possibly the biggest issue with the Fpace.

I had two first editions and your right they have a lot of options but not necessarily all the options you may want, there are a lot of used cars for sale but check the car you are looking at is not a previously rejected car due to problems.

Good luck.
 
#4 ·
The other way to look at it is if it is 2 years old then any issues I may have had could have been resolved now.

I have the 25d, when you get a shot of it make sure it is switched to dynamic mode, that way you get full advantage of the power available. I never had a shot of the 3L but I would imagine the power would be nice in it.
 
#5 ·
New cars are difficult at present because of the hold up due to new emissions regulations, that is due to be sorted by September, there might even be a sales push.
S/H, there are a lot of problem cars that cannot be fixed for some reason, don't expect to find "rejection" noted in the history or indeed any bad items, mysteriously they will have vanished, or the history is not available. Best bet is a warranted car at a Jaguar dealer then at least you have some comeback, because they are not likely to knowingly sell you a dog, insist on an extended test drive and check it out thououghly.
The 3.0 D is the peach, all the performance you need and a quiet cruiser that will do 40+ MPG on a run, make the time and test drive several to get a comparison.
 
#6 ·
I rejected my 2017 MY 3.0D S, with ITCP (erratic) amongst many other extras, after 6 months - too many unresolved issues for a £61k car. In its place I have a 2018 MY 3.0 S/C (petrol) with ITC (works, but basic) and a few more extras for the same price. Build quality for the replacement, now a year old, is better (could be better still). After a year of use, I'm pleased with the replacement, even with a few remaining issues, as the petrol engine is smooth and quiet (if pushed, it inspires with a great noise, especially with the roof open). I've done only 8,000 miles in the last year, so I'm not so fussed about the c.30mpg from the 3.0 petrol v c.40mpg from the 3.0 diesel. Drive quickly and each of those mpg figures will drop by 8 - 10 (absolute, not percentage)!
 
#7 ·
Until the SVR is available, the peach is the 3.0l s/c petrol...

If you can't face 25 mpg, then the 3.0D is also a good alternative.

The problem with all the diesels is the turbo lag, more evident when you pull away from standing, even in dynamic. Most, including professional reviewers, incorrectly attribute this to the gearbox (it does pull away in 2nd, unless you force it), yet I have no lag with the supercharger.

I'm driving a 25D XF sportbrake at the moment, and ok, it's got more grunt than the 180, but to truly get the best from these cars you need the 300hp +

If you go for the 3.0D, one thing to check is the potential 'bearing' noise that a few on here have experienced from the front half shaft bearings. You should find info on here if you use the search function. This has gone quiet, so maybe the fix has worked, but interesting that no-one has come back to say this.

ICTP either seems to work with the option combinations, or not (mine not..) A good late 2017 3.0l with ICT should be a safe bet.

You could always ask to contact the previous owner, or ask to see the V5, before committing to buy.

First editions were a curious combination. Lovely colour, but I didn't like the option combinations & didn't think they were value for money at the time. Don't pay a premium for one, but if you like it, go for it!

The only other thing is, do some research on the dealer, or your local one. My supplying dealer (Guy Salmon) have no interest in my 20 months of problems & I wish I hadn't bought from them. You need them to own the problems if you want a successful ownership. If the dealer is crap then you can blame JLR all day long, but that would be missing the point.

Would I buy another one? Yes. But as they've deleted the 3.0L s/c, only the SVR.

Good luck!
 
#9 ·
Thank you all for your time and your valuable advice!

I went to test-drive the 25d yesterday. I made sure that it was in dynamic mode as some here suggested.

I think the performance is not bad at all and it would probably be adequate for most people. But while I was driving it, I caught myself thinking that I would like some extra torque from low down (probably a biased kind of thinking because if I didn't know that a 3.0d diesel existed maybe I would be happy with 25d)

Unfortunately there is not 3.0d in stock at the moment so I couldn't compare unfortunately.
 
#10 ·
"The problem with all the diesels is the turbo lag, more evident when you pull away from standing, even in dynamic. Most, including professional reviewers, incorrectly attribute this to the gearbox (it does pull away in 2nd, unless you force it), yet I have no lag with the supercharger."

The FPace diesels do not work as a racers, you cannot just floor the accelerator from a standing start as a normal automatic, for whatever reason. Both engines do give good overtaking performance, the 3.0d is effortless, if you want ultimate performance and can stand the fuel bills the 3.0 Supercharged is the one to go for, the SVR when available will be awesome I'm sure.

Plenty of drivers are satisfied with the 2.0d and if you have a good one ( I didn't) you will be happy, the 3.0d is different, slightly heavier, more of a cruiser, much quicker, quieter too, drive one you will like it !. A S/H 3.0d is going to cost maybe £4K more than a similar 2.0d, it's up to you to choose which suits your driving style.
 
#11 ·
jagged said:
Thank you all for your time and your valuable advice!

I went to test-drive the 25d yesterday. I made sure that it was in dynamic mode as some here suggested.

I think the performance is not bad at all and it would probably be adequate for most people. But while I was driving it, I caught myself thinking that I would like some extra torque from low down (probably a biased kind of thinking because if I didn't know that a 3.0d diesel existed maybe I would be happy with 25d)

Unfortunately there is not 3.0d in stock at the moment so I couldn't compare unfortunately.
Shame you didn't get to drive a 3.0d. Yes there is some turbo lag but you hardly notice it as your driving style adjusts to take it into account and I enjoy that shove as the turbo kicks in. It is significantly smoother than the 25d. Whether it's the peach or not is a matter of personal opinion. I absolutely love driving mine. Smooth, quiet and very powerful when needed. Real world I achieve 24mpg around town and the best I have had is 37mpg at motorway speeds on a 400 mile trip. I once had over 40mpg downhill with a back wind so I don't believe those that claim those as average figures for the 3.0d . 3000 miles on the clock now and no issues. ICTP updated to latest version and works just fine apart from flaky mobile phone app interface with car which is hit and miss....I just run Spotify via Bluetooth instead.
 
#12 ·
No issues on my 2018 model
ICTP (in Control Touch Pro) works really well once upgraded .

Some early models suffered from lack of upgrades to ICTP , but upgrades appeared to have sorted this out for nearly all people.

Later models in all JLR products are better built, be it Landrover or Jaguar , they seem to rush products to the market and then fix /update production in the first 2 years.
So I'd advise a later model if that's possible.

ICTP is now on all new vehicles in some shape or form , the smaller system ICT ( In Control Touch) is slower to use and has no live traffic updates .

If you do buy make sure all software updates are carried out prior to picking it up.

Happy car hunting.
 
#13 ·
Thank you all!
Great advice and information indeed!
I guess I would be better off going for a 2018 model hoping that it will have fewer issues.
Does anyone know when a major facelift is planned? I guess that MY2019 will not be a major facelift.
 
#14 ·
Doing a forced back to back test with the 240 hp 4 cyl and the 3.0l V6 diesel, make sure you take out the V6 for test drive before you make your mind up.

It's not about being a boy racer, it's about having a smooth power unit that doesn't keep going off cam every time you slightly back off the throttle.

I'm sure the 4 cylinders would work better with a manual gearbox, but I am very, very glad to see the back of it today, and looking forward to a bit of fun with the 300hp oil burner..

I would say the 180hp diesel is actually better than the 240. It's not trying to be more than it is..
 
#15 ·
I changed my 180 bhp R-Sport for a 3.0 diesel a couple of months ago and don't regret it.

Circumstances have dictated that I haven't been able to drive it as much as I would have liked but yesterday, after a couple of weeks away without driving at all, I took it for a 50 mile spin just for fun which included the M40 and some nice sweeping A roads. I put it in Dynamic with an occasional venture into Sport + Dynamic.

I'm still smiling!
 
#16 ·
frogmill0 said:
I changed my 180 bhp R-Sport for a 3.0 diesel a couple of months ago and don't regret it.

Circumstances have dictated that I haven't been able to drive it as much as I would have liked but yesterday, after a couple of weeks away without driving at all, I took it for a 50 mile spin just for fun which included the M40 and some nice sweeping A roads. I put it in Dynamic with an occasional venture into Sport + Dynamic.

I'm still smiling!
Resonates with me. I still find myself justifying going home the long way round!
 
#17 ·
Smitten said:
frogmill0 said:
I changed my 180 bhp R-Sport for a 3.0 diesel a couple of months ago and don't regret it.

Circumstances have dictated that I haven't been able to drive it as much as I would have liked but yesterday, after a couple of weeks away without driving at all, I took it for a 50 mile spin just for fun which included the M40 and some nice sweeping A roads. I put it in Dynamic with an occasional venture into Sport + Dynamic.

I'm still smiling!
Resonates with me. I still find myself justifying going home the long way round!
"Me Too". It's kind of addictive
 
#18 ·
Smitten said:
jagged said:
Thank you all for your time and your valuable advice!

I went to test-drive the 25d yesterday. I made sure that it was in dynamic mode as some here suggested.

I think the performance is not bad at all and it would probably be adequate for most people. But while I was driving it, I caught myself thinking that I would like some extra torque from low down (probably a biased kind of thinking because if I didn't know that a 3.0d diesel existed maybe I would be happy with 25d)

Unfortunately there is not 3.0d in stock at the moment so I couldn't compare unfortunately.
Shame you didn't get to drive a 3.0d. Yes there is some turbo lag but you hardly notice it as your driving style adjusts to take it into account and I enjoy that shove as the turbo kicks in. It is significantly smoother than the 25d. Whether it's the peach or not is a matter of personal opinion. I absolutely love driving mine. Smooth, quiet and very powerful when needed. Real world I achieve 24mpg around town and the best I have had is 37mpg at motorway speeds on a 400 mile trip. I once had over 40mpg downhill with a back wind so I don't believe those that claim those as average figures for the 3.0d . 3000 miles on the clock now and no issues. ICTP updated to latest version and works just fine apart from flaky mobile phone app interface with car which is hit and miss....I just run Spotify via Bluetooth instead.
Just a correction on this. I got a shock today when I hit 40mpg on a short A road/B road run. Maybe engine is loosening-up? I was in Eco mode for part in traffic and then normal/sport for A road B road stretch. Not bad at all but low average speed.
 

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#19 ·
I would recommend the 3L Diesel S as it has great performance, smoothness, roadholding and fuel economy. I drive mine in economy most of the time as the performance is stil good with a slip into sports for overtaking. Attached is my best fuel consumption over the past year. Good luck with your search.
 

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Craigann B said:
I would recommend the 3L Diesel S as it has great performance, smoothness, roadholding and fuel economy. I drive mine in economy most of the time as the performance is stil good with a slip into sports for overtaking. Attached is my best fuel consumption over the past year. Good luck with your search.
Good heavens. I never get anywhere near those figures. What size wheels and tyres are you using? What are your typical journeys?
 
#21 ·
For me the best I get on a motorway trip is 30mpg as opposed to about 13 around town.
I hardly ever put the car in Auto as I just use the paddles.
You get much more instant response from a standstill with the paddles and no lag.
Put it in Sport and Dynamic and use the paddles and you get a a head hitting the headrest rocket with enough pops and crackles to constantly put a smile on my face as well as scaring a few locals, getting appreciation from a few blokes and getting frowned upon by the elderly. All in all I love it!
 
#22 ·
20" wheels standard. Just take of from start with an easy throttle but faster than the cars behind using cruse control to the speed limits. Minimum breaking, my dad said every time you brake you are wasting fuel so think ahead. The standard continental tyres are good road holding but in the rain they reduce the mpg by 10 mpg.
Have your cruse control set for 30 in town and use the + to increase to the 60 for single track you are still way ahead of the following cars. I do not hang around very few pass me. But a bit frustrating at 70 on duel carriageways motorway when the white vans are doing 90, but I like to keep a clean licence. Use the sports mode only when the Audi,s come along side when leaving roundabouts..
 
#23 ·
Craigann B said:
20" wheels standard. Just take of from start with an easy throttle but faster than the cars behind using cruse control to the speed limits. Minimum breaking, my dad said every time you brake you are wasting fuel so think ahead. The standard continental tyres are good road holding but in the rain they reduce the mpg by 10 mpg.
Have your cruse control set for 30 in town and use the + to increase to the 60 for single track you are still way ahead of the following cars. I do not hang around very few pass me. But a bit frustrating at 70 on duel carriageways motorway when the white vans are doing 90, but I like to keep a clean licence. Use the sports mode only when the Audi,s come along side when leaving roundabouts..
You are a better man than me. Personally I can't resist putting my foot down whenever I get the chance and that explains the difference. I also have 22" wheels which have slightly wider tyres which effect fuel consumption and a skinny spare in the boot.
 
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