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wax after 7 months or polish plus protect or nothing...

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#1 ·
Evening All.

So FP is 7 months old now, done only just under 4000 miles so its not used daily daily.
i thought a wax treatment would be good now and would take care of the paint thru the summer but my detailer suggesting a clay bar treatment then a polish by hand then a protection coat similar to wax. When i suggested that a polish now maybe too much too soon he said the polish he would use is a very soft cream like polish not harsh at all so it wont cut into the paint. Its not that he is trying to cash in off of me bcoz actually his charge for all he's suggested is quite reasonable. Any opinions please?
 
#2 ·
You can either spend a lot of money getting it detailed with a coating applied , or, like me

I use autoglym conditioning shampoo and apply Autoglym high definition wax https://www.autoglym.com/ultra-high-definition-wax
I've done this from new.
Then Wash and dry every fortnight , wax polish every four months.

After about a year I use Autoglym super resin polish for an anual deep clean and followed by the high definition wax.
https://www.autoglym.com/super-resin-polish

Then back to wash with conditioning shampoo and wax every four months.

For the wheels I use poor boys wheel sealant
https://www.amazon.co.uk/PoorBoys-Wheel-Sealant-8oz-236ml/dp/B004ZLAMEY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1530716426&sr=8-1&keywords=poor+boys+wheel

A bit of a ritual but I enjoy it 🤔😀
 
#3 ·
I've used Greased Lightning since new. Now 9 months old, and like yours, not used every day, so only have 3000 miles on the clock. Paintwork remains "like new" and water beads off the car for at least 2 or 3 weeks after application. Main advantage is you don't have to get the bucket or hosepipe out to refresh the shine. I've used this on my past 4 or 5 cars with no problems. Wheel Car Land vehicle Tire Vehicle
 

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#4 ·
BrianA said:
I've used Greased Lightning since new. Now 9 months old, and like yours, not used every day, so only have 3000 miles on the clock. Paintwork remains "like new" and water beads off the car for at least 2 or 3 weeks after application. Main advantage is you don't have to get the bucket or hosepipe out to refresh the shine. I've used this on my past 4 or 5 cars with no problems.63DEEFE4-AC5E-48C2-8B4C-6EF03B0C2B55.jpeg
My other half uses that , but it doesn't last as long as a good quality wax. I'm never happy with wiping the dirt into the dry car , it only needs one bit of grit to scratch it.
Each to their own though.
 
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I have a black car so the washing regime is needed more often. By day 3 after a wash the roof and bonnet are covered in pollen etc. I wash weekly using Autoglym shampoo/conditioner then pat dry with large microfiber towel then quick detail with Chemical Guys Quick Detail spray. I have black wheels as well and so far have just washed weekly and they have been fine but will seal before the winter. I am just into my third month of ownership and the dealer applied wax is due to be renewed so I will probably go down the route of a full clay using a mitten or bar as some of the paintwork already feels rough in places then use a specialist black treatment like Chem Guys Black Light or similar. The clay may well reveal some fine scratches in which case I will polish out with a DA polisher. Black really shows everything. We have a white and a grey car as well and these don't need half as much work but it is a satisfying routine
 
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A few weeks ago I spent 3 days on my black X Type working up from clay, scratch removers, polish & finally carnauba wax.

It looked amazing when finished, the paintwork blemish free.

The next day, it was covered in pollen, stuck into the wax.

Spoke to my detailers & he said it was a common problem and I would be better off with a glaze.

Needless to say, I've gone and got the XKR done with the 2 layer gTechniq ceramic coating that I had applied to the F Pace from new.

Anyone want some Meguiar's Carnauba Wax?! :(
 
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corriescar66 said:
A few weeks ago I spent 3 days on my black X Type working up from clay, scratch removers, polish & finally carnauba wax.

It looked amazing when finished, the paintwork blemish free.

The next day, it was covered in pollen, stuck into the wax.

Spoke to my detailers & he said it was a common problem and I would be better off with a glaze.

Needless to say, I've gone and got the XKR done with the 2 layer gTechniq ceramic coating that I had applied to the F Pace from new.

Anyone want some Meguiar's Carnauba Wax?! :(
Should have used Autoglym HD wax....expensive but the best one around , no pollen stuck to mine.
 
#8 ·
Smitten said:
clay may well reveal some fine scratches in which case I will polish out with a DA polisher.
Clay won't just reveal some swirls, it'll cause them as well. Never clay unless you're going to polish as well.

Menzerna 3800 brings JLR black paint up a treat as a finishing polish after compounding or a polish with more cut.

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bensales said:
Smitten said:
clay may well reveal some fine scratches in which case I will polish out with a DA polisher.
Clay won't just reveal some swirls, it'll cause them as well. Never clay unless you're going to polish as well.

Menzerna 3800 brings JLR black paint up a treat as a finishing polish after compounding or a polish with more cut.

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Stunning car 😍😍
 
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June16 said:
bensales said:
Smitten said:
clay may well reveal some fine scratches in which case I will polish out with a DA polisher.
Clay won't just reveal some swirls, it'll cause them as well. Never clay unless you're going to polish as well.

Menzerna 3800 brings JLR black paint up a treat as a finishing polish after compounding or a polish with more cut.

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Stunning car 😍😍
Thank you!

Detailed by Barry at http://www.autodetox.co.uk
 
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bensales said:
Smitten said:
clay may well reveal some fine scratches in which case I will polish out with a DA polisher.
Clay won't just reveal some swirls, it'll cause them as well. Never clay unless you're going to polish as well.

Menzerna 3800 brings JLR black paint up a treat as a finishing polish after compounding or a polish with more cut.

3812DB15-A02E-4929-852B-F57ACBDDDA2A.jpeg
Stunning level of finish! Here is mine..
 

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#12 ·
Smitten said:
bensales said:
Smitten said:
clay may well reveal some fine scratches in which case I will polish out with a DA polisher.
Clay won't just reveal some swirls, it'll cause them as well. Never clay unless you're going to polish as well.

Menzerna 3800 brings JLR black paint up a treat as a finishing polish after compounding or a polish with more cut.

3812DB15-A02E-4929-852B-F57ACBDDDA2A.jpeg
Stunning level of finish! Here is mine..
Looks great!
Must admit I do like black cars, I had 6 black ones in a row before the current BRG.
 
#13 ·
My car was treated with Gtehcniq
Back in December and done around 4000 miles also
The car was treated in and out and still looks fantastic
Only need to wash and dry with microfiber cloth no wax ever.
Or at least as long as I will own the car it suggested coating will last 6-7 years
Took these photos Friday as having windscreen changed
So condition before works photos think coating over wax if far better and very easy to keep clean
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June 16 - black is like Marmite. Love it or hate it! My last car was silver and I was tempted by that colour and BRG after seeing colours in the flesh.

Jagman - I was tempted by Gtechnic but picked up a chip in the first few weeks which meant a small area being re sprayed on passenger door. I understand it can prove quite expensive if you need panels re coated? Decided to wait and see if can keep it looking good with traditional methods for now. Your car does look stunning though!
 
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That's the main disadvantage to any ceramiccoating. It's a pain to fix even the most minor scratch. You can just polish out a scratch and re-wax. Any polishing will remove the coating and when you try and reapply you get an obvious patch. So you have to do the whole panel. Gets even worse if it's one of the pro-only multi-year coatings as they're expensive.

Despite the ease of maintenance touted by ceramic vendors (which I'm not convinced of, given the need for special shampoos and topper coats) I don't think it's really suitable for daily d over cars that will pick up the odd mark. Traditionally polishing techniques and wax are far more suitable for the home user to be able to maintain a car to a high standard, if a decent wash technique is used.
 
#16 ·
update-once i turned up at my detailer he suggested a wash then a very minor clay bar application, followed by a hand polish with a creamy soft polish and a protectant coating(non ceramic) said to last about 5 to 6 months- all for 55 euros. Granted the clay bar was very minimally required and that the car was quite impeccable still since new but i still thought it was a very fair price. I think result is quite OK and it feels soooo smooth and glossy. He did tell me beforehand that the coating instead of wax would not add as much gloss bcoz wax=gloss while coating = protection. Thats fine though as can always add a wax coat after say couple of months to add shine.
 
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bensales said:
That's the main disadvantage to any ceramiccoating. It's a pain to fix even the most minor scratch. You can just polish out a scratch and re-wax. Any polishing will remove the coating and when you try and reapply you get an obvious patch. So you have to do the whole panel. Gets even worse if it's one of the pro-only multi-year coatings as they're expensive.

Despite the ease of maintenance touted by ceramic vendors (which I'm not convinced of, given the need for special shampoos and topper coats) I don't think it's really suitable for daily d over cars that will pick up the odd mark. Traditionally polishing techniques and wax are far more suitable for the home user to be able to maintain a car to a high standard, if a decent wash technique is used.
I am arriving at the same conclusion and it's not looking too bad with a decent shampoo and quick detail today. I can polish out any scratches and I have picked up a few already. Seems altogether more flexible and practical.
 

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#18 ·
We'll all have our own opinions on this one...

I wasn't aware of ceramic coatings before this forum, and I was very sceptical, having seen the pathetic Supagard being applied by dealers, and a fan of a proper clean and polish.

I'm afraid they do work, very easy to keep clean and have given a lustrous shine consistently for the last 20 months.

I was shocked at the price they wanted initially to re-apply to the rear bumper after the dealer had made a mess of the colour coding, but negotiated down to a reasonable figure. Provided whoever is going to do bodywork rectification is aware it is coated, it shouldn't be much of a problem, but yes, unless you have a clean, dry garage to re-apply it yourself, it is a slight additional cost.

I don't have the time to spend 14 hours detailing a car any more, however rewarding (and short lived) the joy of seeing the shiny toy is...
 
#19 ·
18 months on from my ceramic coating it's still coming up well with a 1 hr start to finish, foam, rinse, dry - done.

It had some swirls and few minor marks / scratches. I got some mobile guys to come out and they spent about 4 hrs giving it a proper going over, decontamination and re-application of the top up stuff and results were stunning.
The swirls and marks were all but gone with only minor work and still retaining the coating. Still working very well.
2 year old car now

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